permaculture

["Kenneth Benway" <ken@arcadiandesign.org>]

At the risk of sounding like a Rush Limbaugh nut job, "ditto, ditto,
ditto" to everything said.
There certainly are no shortages of things gone nuts in the garden.

If no one minds I would like to modify the topic name just slightly so
we can pool all of our legal related issues into one area on the list.
 If you choose not to follow the conversation down this path, that’s
fine with me. I really think that if we just try this we can be more
effective as a group.
I will definitely continue to monitor this topic for pertinent
information.
Ken

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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:57 PM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Driver Ticketed for Using Biofuel

I certainly think what they did to this person stinks. But I want to
raise a question about his or her actions. Is buying oil for a car that
is meant as human food actually sustainable and a good idea? It is one
thing to use recycled cooking oil and it is another thing to use new
cooking oil.  I am somewhat dubious about growing fuel crops
altogether.  With time and effort perhaps this can be done sustainably
on land not well suited to crops, but the way we are going all that is
happening is that food prices are being driven up and rain forests are
being cut down to feed cars not people.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike <mike.brian@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: bioenergy@listserv.repp.org
Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Driver Ticketed for Using Biofuel



I read about that, there is a discussion on the slashquirer. He was
ctually paying more for fuel and got busted by revenuers. He's lucky
hey didn't take a pickaxe to his car like the old still down by the
reek.

On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 21:12 -0400, Marimike6@cs.com wrote:
> Bob Teixeira decided it was time to take a stand against U.S.
dependence on 
 foreign oil. 
 
 So last fall the Charlotte musician and guitar instructor spent $1,200
to 
 convert his 1981 diesel Mercedes to run on vegetable oil. He bought
soybean 
il 
 in 5-gallon jugs at Costco, spending about 30 percent more than diesel
would 
 cost.
 
 His reward, from a state that heavily promotes alternative fuels: a
$1,000 
 fine last month for not paying motor fuel taxes. He has been told to
expect 
 another $1,000 fine from the federal government.
 
 To legally use veggie oil, state officials told him, he would have to
first 
 post a $2,500 bond. 
 
 Teixeira is one of a growing number of fuel-it-yourselfers -- backyard 
 brewers who recycle restaurant grease or make moonshine for their car
tanks. 
hey do 
 it to save money, reduce pollution or thumb their noses at oil sheiks.
 
 They're also caught in a web of little-known state laws that can stifle

 energy independence. [.....]
 
 http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/599471.html
 
 "...officials say they'll keep pursuing taxes on all fuels used in
highway 
 vehicles. With its 29.9-cent a gallon gas tax, the state collects $1.2
billion 
> each year to pay for road construction."
 
 Damn hippies...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
    
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