permaculture

["Lisa Rollens" <rollens@fidnet.com>]

Marjory,

I have pregnant sheep that ate the honey locust pods and also a cow.  The
horses eat the pods themselves from the ground under the trees.  I try to
have the animals graze all winter without bought feed.  Was glad to find
that they liked the high protein (FREE) food!  Unfortunately the trees
didn't produce pods this year...droughty spring and summer.  I will gather
all I can find next fall.  There was just a website posted on this
list....http://www.freetreesandplants.com ...that has thornless honey
locust.  Not cheap if you want to plant a lot, but probably a good cause.  I
don't know if they have good pods, tho.....I would like to know, too.
Anybody else know???

Lisa, in the Ozarks, MO,USA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marjory Glowka" <forestgarden@austin.rr.com>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Mesquite Milling this Saturday


> Hi Lisa and all,
>
> I have been thinking of growing honey locust.  It just so happens that
> mesquite does not grow well on my farm, but they are plentiful down the
road
> (very diverse soil types around here).  There are two black locusts that
are
> thriving in my orchard, and I am seeking to plant some honeys.  does
anyone
> know where I can source soem non-thorny, big pod-bearing honey locusts?
>
> Lisa, what animals were you feeding through the winter?  chickens, horses,
> pigs...
>
> Thanks,
>
> marjory
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Lisa Rollens
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Mesquite Milling this Saturday
>
>
> Hmmmm....I wonder if milling would work for honey locust pods, and if the
> product would be useable???  If I remember mesquite from my Texas days,
they
> might have more and larger seeds  Last year, after reading of their feed
> value on this list, I picked up a whole bunch of honey locust pods and ran
> them thru a chipper/shredder.  My animals loved them all winter!
>
> Lisa, in honey locust country now.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg" <FarmerGreg@UrbanFarm.org>
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Mesquite Milling this Saturday
>
>
> > Milling Questions
> >
> > The milling went great for our first one.  I followed it up with a
> > visit to Tucson for their milling and mesquite pancake breakfast.
> > What a fun time.
> >
> > The biggest challenge for for putting on a milling is locating a
> > mill.  The one we used was from Tucson.  If is a gas powered hammer
> > Mill.  See desertharvesters.org.  A steam or hand powered one would
> > be great, just need to find it.
> >
> >  From 5 gallons of beans we were getting about 1 to 2 gallons of meal.
> > An very little chaff.
> >
> > Mesquite beans can be VERY plentiful.  Last year I harvested 20
> > gallons of beans from a tree in a matter of a few minutes.  A tree
> > can put out hundreds of pounds of beans.  Mesquite wood is used for
> > furniture, I suppose it could be used for tool handles.
> >
> > Mesquite is a desert plant so it is very drought tolerant.  Not
> > allelopathic.  A mesquite farm could be feasible, but there is so
> > much that grows in the wild you may not need to.  A hammermill is
> > suggested as the beans are so hard that the power is needed to mill
> > them.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>  Hi Greg and all,
> > >>
> > >>  How did the milling go?  I am quite interested in seeing if we could
> do
> > >>  comething like that here in Central Texas - we've got a lot of
> mesquite.  I
> > >>  bought some meal and have been serving up mesquite meal pancakes to
my
> > >>  neighbors to see if I could generate enough interest in pursuing a
> milling
> > >>  demo or operation here.
> > >>
> > >>  Is the milling fairly easy to do and not too manual-process
oriented?
> Can
> > >>  the beans come from any variety of mesquite - or are there only some
> that
> > >>  work well?  How much meal can you make from say, a five gallon
bucket
> full
> > >>  of mequite pods?  Could the mill be run via a steam engine?
> > >
> > >How about a human powered mill? Use an 18 speed bycycle connected to
the
> > >mill directly or to a gearbox connected by V-belt to it. A steam engine
> > >is a good idea. Burn the chaff from the milling process plus twigs,
> > >stems and branches for complete combustion and extraction of max BTU's
> > >with minimum smoke. When you look at the loads steam locomotives are
> > >able to move, the power they can unleash is truly amazing.
> > >
> > >A few questions:
> > >
> > >Are mesquite trees plentiful in their natural habitat? Can the wood be
> > >used as lumber or handles for tools? Is it rot-resistant?
> > >
> > >What plants grow naturally with it and what crops could be grown
> > >successfully within a grove used for bean production?
> > >Fertilizing and irrigating the crops would benefit the mesquite
> > >while it provided some shade. Is it allelopathic? Is it drought
> > >tolerant? Would a mesquite bean farm be feasable? What kind of mill is
> > >required to make flour? Can grits be made?
> > >
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