permaculture

["Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>]

Rain Tenaqiya wrote:
> Michael Kramer is on to something very important. 

No he's not.

 It seems that the permaculture movement is suffering from the old 
matter/spirit split

No its not.

and it is hindering the movement from applying permaculture design to social 
systems.

Spare us more social engineering.

There seems to be an assumption that humuns are somehow separate from the 
rest of Nature.

I know noone who assumes such things.

 Therefore, it is possible to apply systems theory/ecological principles to 
physical,
land-based or even energy-based designs, but not to the relationships between 
people or their social systems.
But humun systems are part of Nature and obey the same laws.
> I once saw a surprisingly useful presentation by Darren Huckle of Santa Cruz on 
permaculture principles as applied to spirituality.  If you can apply 
permaculture to spirituality,
you can definitely apply it to economic systems, group dynamics, political 
systems, and all the rest.
 Permaculture teachers say permaculture is about design and not techniques, 
but students are not getting it.

Maybe if we had a course without reference to trees, water, and earth (I 
profess to wince at the thought),
people would finally get it.

Spare us more of Kramer's loony mind wanderings.

The essence of permaculture is about relationships, not objects.
 Many urban people have trouble apply permaculture to their lives because 
they don't have much access
to trees, water, or soil.  What we need is a permaculture revolution.

You're preaching to the choir.


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