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[Paul Kosuth <prkosuth@ll.net>]

Rob,

I think I see where you are coming from now. Thanks for the clarity.

Paul

robscott@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:

> Paul,
>
> The point is that they are in contradiction.
> Democracy plus Capitalism equals contradiction, that's what I'm saying.
>
> The contradiction diction:
> when the language speaks contradictions without the speakers' consent.
> The language enlists its speakers as apologists : they describe the
> contradiction as an error, a mere conflict, a glitch in the system...
> oops, capitalism and democracy are tough to reconcile, sorry about that...
>
> Contradictions are not a mistake. Contradictions are part of the program.
> They're an intention. To deny a contradiction is to play into its power.
>
> Rob
>
>  
>
> > > Rob Scott wrote:
> > >
> > > I use the term "democracy" to refer to a social system in which the
> > > participants as a whole determine how the system operates.
> > > I use the term "capitalism" to refer to an economic system in which the
> > > owners of capital determine how the system operates.
> > >
> > >      
> > Paul Kosuth wrote:
> >
> > isn't capitalism the economic system with an emphasis on creating
> > surplus value and when this surplus value is sold the benefits go to the
> > "owners" of the operation rather than the producers of the value (the
> > workers.) I strongly agree that capitalism is an economic system but not
> > with your specific definition. Rather than a linking of democracy and
> > capitalism I see both as being very separate. Democracy is a method of
> > choice, capitalism is one of the choices. Which, to me, make life in
> > good ol' USA so frustrating when our "leaders" equate democracy and
> > capitalism. I keep hoping to vote in communism but I'm not holding my
> > breath.
> >    
>
>
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