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----- Original Message -----
From: "Australia Felix Permaculture" <pcorgbgo@bendigo.net.au>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:13
Subject: Re: Water Ponding


> Hello Frank,
>
> Its been a while - I hope things are well for you.
>
> Often one of the problems we face are undulations that in well watered
areas
> collect water. This can be exacerbated by grazing, especially where it has
> taken place on ground that is a bit wet. Might I suggest that the
> undulations are caused by tree clearing (ie stump holes/removal) and that
in
> order
> to remedy the situation either some earthworks need to be undertaken or
> changes/adjustments need to made to the landuse.
>
> Given your equipment listed I would suggest that you use your grader blade
> to make some
> very shallow (4"-6") and broad  drains that fall at around 1:500-600 or
less
> depending on the soil conditions. This type of construction will grass
over
> very quickly - which can be a problem in deeper more typical drains. We
have
> used these drains to cheaply move large volumes of water, yet still allow
> hay production - which I guess may be a problem with your existing
> topography.
>
> Another method is to use a rotary drainer (one of my favorite implements).
> We have one and it cost about $1000 and runs very well indeed behind quite
> small tractors (<35hp). We use it for all keyline drains, although at
higher
> more intense rainfall than we have, higher capacity drains would be
needed.
> These too grass over quickly.
>
> Another alternative is to plant copses of fodder trees in each of the
> hollows (you didn't say what dimensions these were). Perhaps one of your
> great white
> oaks or a chestnut in the centre of each hollow and ringed by a range of
> leaf fodder and fruiting species. This productive "landscape" approach
would
> be the
> cheapest and least intrusive way of utilising these hollows without
> compromising production.
> Indeed linking these via portable tape electric fencing will provide the
> greatest cell grazing flexibility.
>
> Again hope all goes well for the coming winter. We're waiting for the
> swelter to arrive....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Darren Doherty
> Australia Felix Permaculture
>
> ALL YOUR LAND NEEDS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <FranksFarm@aol.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Water Ponding
>
>
> > Good day all,
> >
> > Just a question or two on water management/land grading.
> >
> > I plan to do rotational grazing for my cattle. My pastures are ringed by
> > fairly high hills that when it rains creates areas of ponding, and often
a
> > bloody muddy mess.
> >
> > Further some of the pastures are pretty uneven, and contain cedars and
> other
> > trees.
> > Moving dirt and gravel to the problem areas would be expensive and time
> > consuming. Putting in drains would also be quite a job, and possibly
> > expensive due to the number of wet areas, and distances to drain ways.
> >
> > I have a box blade and a tractor that could be used to grade some areas,
> but
> > I'm really wondering if the benefits are worth it?
> >
> > Look forward to the lists' comments.  TIA  Frank
> >
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