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RE: permaculture digest: October 25, 2000

From: "Catherine Jo Morgan" <cjmorgan@hemc.net>
To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Subject: RE: permaculture digest: October 25, 2000
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:29:51 -0400

Graham, Thanks for terrific message re noticing patterns. I found it
illuminating and encouraging. Great work!

Cathy Morgan
reply to: cjmorgan@hemc.net <mailto:cjmorgan@hemc.net>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture digest [mailto:permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:04 AM
> To: permaculture digest recipients
> Subject: permaculture digest: October 25, 2000
>
>
> PERMACULTURE Digest for Wednesday, October 25, 2000.
>
> 1. radioinfo: reseach results that recommand less land tilling
> 2. Award to a Permaculturist
> 3. Protein contents
> 4. Sustainable education
> 5. Wow! positive stuff about bindweed!!!
> 6. Re: [PermacultureUK] Bind weed on allotment....and zone
> zero zero stuff...
> 7. Intentional Communities Gathering in Australia
> 8. Re: Wow! positive stuff about bindweed!!!
>
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>
> Subject: radioinfo: reseach results that recommand less land tilling
> From: Xavier Dequaire <xavier.dequaire@vilpas.com>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:01:11 +0200
> X-Message-Number: 1
>
> http://enn.com/enn-multimedia-archive/2000/10/10192000/glrc_32495.asp
>
> peace
>
> Xavier Dequaire
>
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>
> Subject: Award to a Permaculturist
> From: German Poleo <gpoleo@agctr.lsu.edu>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:03:47 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 2
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> A permaculturist from Ecuador won a price.
> http://www.rolexawards.com/laureates/laureate1.jsp?id=37
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>  <A
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> Subject: Protein contents
> From: donahuer@ols.net (Randy )
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:06:35 -0400 (EDT)
> X-Message-Number: 3
>
> Hey Ya'll--
>
> Is there a climbing soybean, or a
> half-runner type?
> Barring such a thing, which species or cultivar of
> (discreetly) climbing
> legume has the highest protein content? I ask this because I
> would like to
> have a "better bean" to grow in a three-sisters garden with
> corn and squash.
> I have heard tepiary beans are pretty high in protein-- higher than
> phaseolus vulgaris(common green bean)? If only I could find a climbing
> soybean. . .
>
> -Donahuer
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Sustainable education
> From: donahuer@ols.net (Randy )
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:16:10 -0400 (EDT)
> X-Message-Number: 4
>
> Would someone please refer me to a list of schools
> that offer
> undergrad B.A.'s in sustainable/alternative/organic agriculture. No
> workshops or environmental studies that happen to involve agriculture,
> please. . . and don't just give the programs or schools that
> have a leaning
> or tendency-- Only those that are known and accreditted for
> hardcore organic
> perspective(I don't want to walk into a class where the
> instructor consults
> the instant magical ortho problem solver).
>
> --Donahuer
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: Wow! positive stuff about bindweed!!!
> From: "Graham Burnett" <gburnett@unisonfree.net>

> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:39:40 +0100
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> Thanks to rich Morris (plants For a future) found a whole web
> site in praise of the bloody stuff!
>
> http://www.exoticplants.org.uk/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham Burnett
> 35 Rayleigh Avenue
> Westcliff On Sea
> Essex, UK
> SS0 7DS
>
> South East Essex LETS
> http://pages.unisonfree.net/gburnett/
>
>
> South East Essex Organic Gardeners
> http://pages.unisonfree.net/gburnett/SEEOG/
>
> South East Essex Permaculture
> http://pages.unisonfree.net/gburnett/SEEOG/page7.html
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [PermacultureUK] Bind weed on allotment....and
> zone zero zero stuff...
> From: "Graham Burnett" <gburnett@unisonfree.net>
> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:30:23 +0100
> X-Message-Number: 6
>
> Thanks for all the replies about bindweed, in my original
> posting I was looking for both practical
> advice (plenty recieved which provided the requested Zen
> 'whack on the side of the head'- In
> addition, a further couple of visits to the allotment, short
> but observation oriented rather than
> panic/reactive stylee, revealed that the attack of the
> bindweed wasn't quite as awful as originally
> thought when looked at sensibly- which I think relates to
> initial feelings of being overwhelmed
> when revisiting a situation which has been neglected, and
> ties in with what follows) as well as
> other perspectives on stuff that was nagging and i've
> hopefully now applied a context to...
>
> My thought processes about this matter when i analysed them a
> bit revealed some interesting
> parralels with some internal stuff I've been dealing with
> over the last few months which i hope
> other list members don't feel is inappropriate to share when
> looked at under the permaculture ethic
> of people/self care and maybe others will find these insights
> of some sort of use....
>
> earlier this year i went through some kind of stress-related
> burn out type event, which is partly
> what led to my allotment becomming neglected in the first
> place ( i went off sick from my work
> place for a couple of months, many friends/colleagues said,
> 'lucky you, all that time to spend at
> your allotment/garden', but the reality in that depressed
> mindset is that you don't feel like doing
> ANYTHING except watching telly and sending crap emails)...
>
> By utisilising my understanding of patterning, such as it is,
> I can see a parellel between the
> growth of the bindweed and it's taking over my allotment and
> the growth of the various factors
> which i'll call 'stress' which led to me becomming ill....
> basically I was doing too much and not
> taking care of myself, which I'll bet is a pattern many other
> permaculturists/world change workers
> fall foul of...
>
> Anyway, when i first became ill I went to see my GP to be
> signed off from work, who offered me
> medication, which I firmly declined... I understood what was
> going on and felt it best to work it
> through (which i'm still doing)...
>
> Point here is I'm seeing a parralel between 'the land' and
> 'the personal'- if the proliferation of
> bind weed or other noxious species is analagous to forces
> that were affecting my health when I was
> neglecting my own 'Zone Zero Zero', then quick fix solutions
> (ie, weedkillers=anti-depressants) are
> just as inappropriate when looking at a holistic way of
> dealing with the totality of the land I am
> lucky enough to steward...
>
> Confused rabbiting after a few pints at 'The Spread Eagle'
> with some good mates, but I'll send this
> anyway and hope it makes a glimmer of sense...
>
> Cheers people...
>
> Graham Burnett
> 35 Rayleigh Avenue
> Westcliff On Sea
> Essex, UK
> SS0 7DS
>
> South East Essex LETS
> http://pages.unisonfree.net/gburnett/
>
> South East Essex Organic Gardeners
> http://pages.unisonfree.net/gburnett/SEEOG/
>
> South East Essex Permaculture
> http://pages.unisonfree.net/gburnett/SEEOG/page7.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Intentional Communities Gathering in Australia
> From: Mitra <mitra@earth.path.net>
> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:27:26 +1000
> X-Message-Number: 7
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> There is a gathering of intentional communities in Australia
> happening=20
> 22-26 November at Crystal Waters. I went to the last
> gathering, a couple of=
> =20
> years ago in Dharmananda, and it was both fun and interesting
> to share=20
> experiences with people from other communities.
>
> Its immediately preeceding the eco-village workshop I saw
> advertised here=20
> recently.
>
> There flyer follows - you can contact them directly on the
> email addresses=
> =20
> towards the bottom.
>
> - Mitra
>
> COMMUNITIES CONFERENCE 2000
> Crystal Waters Permaculture Village
> Queensland Australia
> November 22 -26, 2000
>
> The number of people living in, and seeking to create, intentional=20
> community is continuing to grow. Communities attract a broad
> cross-section=
> =20
> of people who wish to live in touch with the natural world,
> in close and=20
> supportive relationships with others. Through this people are
> enabled to=20
> find greater levels local self-determination and
> opportunities for a=20
> spiritual life.
>
> It is estimated that over lo,ooo Australians live in intentional=20
> communities throughout the country in both urban and rural
> areas. These=20
> communities are diverse varying considerably in size, focus,
> structure and=
> =20
> level of establishment. There is much we can learn from each
> other and also=
> =20
> much we con offer others looking for a positive and vibrant
> way of life and=
> =20
> a sustainable future,
>
> Many people will attend the Conference and Festival from throughout=20
> Australia and. New Zealand - and perhaps beyond.
>
> The gathering will be a participatory event with great
> opportunities for=20
> discussion, exchange of experience and ideas, and the
> developing of new=20
> strategies to deal with issues we face living in community.
>
> The key themes of the conference will be=8A.
> Community Culture
> Eco-Community And Design
> Community Economics
>
>
> KEYNOTE SPEAKERS
> and Workshop Facilitators
> Jill Jordan, Max Lindegger
> Rob Doolan, Simon Clough, Robina McCurdy,
> Robin Clayficid, Morag Gamble, Barb Knudsen, plus MORE-
>
> Creating Vibrant Culture is the theme for the third
> Communities Conference.=
> =20
> We will explore community aliveness in every way -
> culturally, ecologically=
> =20
> and economically.
>
> The Conference will bring together many community members
> from around=20
> Australia and New Zealand to share experiences and find new
> ways forward,
>
> Simultaneously, the inaugural Blooming Arts Festival will be
> held - in=20
> event which will be integrated into the conference providing
> opportunities=
> =20
> for us to explore our creativity together through
> performance, movement,=20
> music, crafts and visual art.
>
> For 5 days, we will live together as a community, be
> creative, discuss and=
> =20
> workshop many key community issues, and share in the
> abundance of knowledge=
> =20
> and skills that others have gained from living in communities
> throughout=20
> this part of the world.
>
> COMMUNITIES CONFERENCE TALKS AND WORKSHOPS
> Each day, the schedule will allow for a balance organised
> forums and=20
> workshop, self-organised group discussions or workshops, arts
> workshops,=20
> shared food preparation, play and relaxation.
>
> Proposed outline of the days=8A.
>
> NOV 22 - Welcome and Set-up
>
> NOV 23 - Community Culture
> Heart Politics - Simon Clough
> Working with Groups - Jill Jordan
> Effective Communication in Grassroots Organisations
> Dynamic Groups- Robin Clayfield
> Contact Improvisation - Zjamal Xanitha
>
> NOV 24- Eco-community and Design
> What Makes an Eco-community - Max Lindegger
> Rural Resettlement 0ptions - Rob Doolan
> Participatory Processes for Effective Community Design -
> Robina McCurdy
> Creating Ecologically Responsible Communities in the City-
> Morag Gamble
>
> Nov 25 - Community Economics
> Creating Livelihoods in Community - Panel with Barb Knudsen
> The RECHARCE process - Robin Clayfield
>
> NOV 26 - The whole picture
> Focus Groups and Overview Forum
> Wrap up and Celebration Performance
>
> The Venue - Crystal Waters Permaculture Village
> Crystal Waters is the first village in the world to be
> consciously designed=
> =20
> using the principles of Permaculture. It is a human-scale and=20
> environmentally responsible village. Established only 12
> years ago, it has=
> =20
> received much acclaim - a United Nations World Habitat Award
> in 1995 for=20
> its "pioneering work in demonstrating new ways of low impact,
> sustainable=20
> living", and a listing on the UN Rest Practices Database.
> Crystal Waters,=20
> home to 200 people is located 100 kms north of subtropical
> Brisbane,=20
> Australia, and is surrounded by natural forests and clear streams.
>
> Conference Costs
> $250 for adults
> $150 for young adults 13-21 years
> $60 for children aged 5-13
> free for child under 5
>
> This includes....
> =85 full participation in the Communities Conference 2000 workshop,
> =85 2 tickets to Blooming Arts Festival,
> =85 a guided tour of Crystal Waters, and
> =85 all meals (vegetarian).
> Accommodation
> $7/tent site ($8 if 2 or more people in a tent)
> $14 for a bed in the bunkhouse cabin/homestay
> Private cabins available from $20 per person/per night
>
> Registration
> Please send a deposit of $50/person with your registration
> form before=20
> October 31.
> Once we have received your registration, we will forward to
> you further=20
> information about what to bring and how to get here.
>
> Name
> Address
> Phone
> Fax
> Email
> Community
> Age (if under 21)
> I enclose a cheque/money order of $
> I prefer to:
> q Bring my own tent/van $7 night
> q Stay in the bunkhouse $14/night
> q Homestay $14/night
> q Other accommodation motel/B&B - please send me more
> information about=20
> options in the area.
>
> Please send form with deposit to=8A.
> Communities Conference 2000
> 37 Crystal Waters
> MS16 Maleny
> Qld 4552
>
> For more information, please contact us:
> Barb Knudsen
> ph: 0754 944 887
> beelzebarb@hotkey.net.au
>
> Morag Gamble
> ph/fax: 0754 944 833
> morag@permaculture.au.com
>
> http://www.ecovillages.org/australia/crystalwaters/comconf2000
> /index.html
>
>
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> <html>
> There is a gathering of intentional communities in Australia happening
> 22-26 November at Crystal Waters. I went to the last
> gathering, a couple
> of years ago in Dharmananda, and it was both fun and
> interesting to share
> experiences with people from other communities. 
>  
> Its immediately preeceding the eco-village workshop I saw
> advertised here
> recently. 
>  
> There flyer follows - you can contact them directly on the email
> addresses towards the bottom. 
>  
> - Mitra 
>  
> COMMUNITIES CONFERENCE
> 2000 
> Crystal
> Waters Permaculture
> Village 
> Queensland Australia 
> November 22 -26, 2000 
>  
> The number
> of people living
> in, and seeking to create, intentional community is
> continuing to grow.
> Communities attract a broad cross-section of people who wish
> to live in
> touch with the natural world, in close and supportive
> relationships with
> others. Through this people are enabled to find greater levels local
> self-determination and opportunities for a spiritual life. 
>  
> It is estimated that over lo,ooo Australians live in intentional
> communities throughout the country in both urban and rural
> areas. These
> communities are diverse varying considerably in size, focus, structure
> and level of establishment. There is much we can learn from each other
> and also much we con offer others looking for a positive and
> vibrant way
> of life and a sustainable future, 
>  
> Many people will attend the Conference and Festival from throughout
> Australia and. New Zealand - and perhaps beyond. 
>  
> The gathering will be a participatory event with great
> opportunities for
> discussion, exchange of experience and ideas, and the
> developing of new
> strategies to deal with issues we face living in community. 
>  
> The key themes of the conference will be=8A. 
> Community Culture 
> Eco-Community And Design 
> Community Economics 
>  
>  
> KEYNOTE SPEAKERS 
> and Workshop Facilitators 
> Jill Jordan, Max
> Lindegger 
> Rob Doolan, Simon Clough, Robina
> McCurdy, 
> Robin Clayficid, Morag Gamble, Barb Knudsen, plus MORE- 
>  
> Creating Vibrant Culture is the theme for the third Communities
> Conference. We will explore community aliveness in every way -
> culturally, ecologically and economically. 
>  
> The Conference will bring together many community members from around
> Australia and New Zealand to share experiences and find new ways
> forward, 
>  
> Simultaneously, the inaugural Blooming Arts Festival will be held - in
> event which will be integrated into the conference providing
> opportunities for us to explore our creativity together through
> performance, movement, music, crafts and visual art. 
>  
> For 5 days, we will live together as a community, be creative, discuss
> and workshop many key community issues, and share in the abundance of
> knowledge and skills that others have gained from living in
> communities
> throughout this part of the world. 
>  
> COMMUNITIES
> CONFERENCE TALKS
> AND WORKSHOPS 
> Each day, the
> schedule will allow
> for a balance organised forums and workshop, self-organised group
> discussions or workshops, arts workshops, shared food
> preparation, play
> and relaxation. 
>  
> Proposed
> outline of the
> days=8A. 
>  
> NOV 22 - Welcome and Set-up 
>  
> NOV 23 - Community Culture 
> Heart
> Politics - Simon
> Clough 
> Working with Groups - Jill Jordan 
> Effective Communication in Grassroots Organisations 
> Dynamic Groups- Robin Clayfield 
> Contact Improvisation - Zjamal Xanitha 
>  
> NOV 24-
> Eco-community and
> Design 
> What Makes
> an Eco-community
> - Max Lindegger 
> Rural Resettlement 0ptions - Rob Doolan 
> Participatory Processes for Effective Community Design - Robina
> McCurdy 
> Creating Ecologically Responsible Communities in the City- Morag
> Gamble 
>  
> Nov 25 - Community
> Economics 
> Creating
> Livelihoods in
> Community - Panel with Barb Knudsen 
> The RECHARCE process - Robin Clayfield 
>  
> NOV 26 -
> The whole picture 
> Focus Groups
> and Overview
> Forum 
> Wrap up and Celebration Performance 
>  
> The Venue -
> Crystal Waters
> Permaculture Village 
> Crystal Waters
> is the first
> village in the world to be consciously designed using the
> principles of
> Permaculture. It is a human-scale and environmentally responsible
> village. Established only 12 years ago, it has received much
> acclaim - a
> United Nations World Habitat Award in 1995 for its
> "pioneering work
> in demonstrating new ways of low impact, sustainable
> living", and a
> listing on the UN Rest Practices Database. Crystal Waters, home to 200
> people is located 100 kms north of subtropical Brisbane,
> Australia, and
> is surrounded by natural forests and clear streams. 
>  
> Conference Costs 
> $250 for adults 
> $150 for young adults 13-21 years 
> $60 for children aged 5-13 
> free for child under 5 
>  
> This includes.... 
> =85 <font
> face=3D"Comic Sans MS">ful=
> l
> participation in the Communities Conference 2000 workshop, 
> =85 Sans MS">2 ticke=
> ts
> to Blooming Arts Festival, 
> =85 Sans MS">a guide=
> d
> tour of Crystal Waters, and 
> =85 Sans MS">all mea=
> ls
> (vegetarian). 
> Accommodation 
> $7/tent site ($8
> if 2 or more
> people in a tent) 
> $14 for a bed in the bunkhouse cabin/homestay 
> Private cabins available from $20 per person/per night 
>  
> Registration 
> Please send a deposit
> of $50/person
> with your registration form before October 31. 
> Once we have
> received your
> registration, we will forward to you further information about what to
> bring and how to get here. 
>  
> Name 
> Address 
> Phone 
> Fax 
> Email 
> Community 
> Age (if under 21) 
> I enclose a cheque/money order of $ 
> I prefer to: 
> q<font
> face=3D"Comic=
> Sans MS" size=3D4>
> Bring my own tent/van $7
> night 
> q<font
> face=3D"Comic=
> Sans MS" size=3D4>
> Stay in the bunkhouse
> $14/night 
> q<font
> face=3D"Comic=
> Sans MS" size=3D4>
> Homestay $14/night 
> q
> Other accommodation
> motel/B&B -
> please send me more information about options in the area. 
>  
> Please send form with deposit
> to=8A. 
> Communities
> Conference
> 2000 
> 37 Crystal Waters 
> MS16 Maleny 
> Qld 4552 
>  
> For more information, please
> contact us: 
> Barb Knudsen 
> ph: 0754 944 887 
> beelzebarb@hotkey.net.au 
>  
> Morag Gamble 
> ph/fax: 0754 944 833 
> morag@permaculture.au.com 
>  
> <a=
>
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> x.html"=
>
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lwaters/comco=
> nf2000/index.html</a> 
>  
> </html>
>
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>
> Subject: Re: Wow! positive stuff about bindweed!!!
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflondon@mindspring.com>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:46:44 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 8
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:39:40 +0100, "Graham Burnett"
> <gburnett@unisonfree.net> wrote:

>
> >http://www.exoticplants.org.uk/
>
> I see from this website that bindweed is only common Morning Glory.
> A lot of fuss over nothing :-) It can't compare with 1) Bermuda,
> 2) Johnson Grass, 3) crabgrass, ryegrass, fescue 4) pigweed,
> 5) and a few more nonames in my fields [in order of noxiousness]
> as an invasive, persistent weed.
>
>
> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> lflondon@mindspring.com
> london@metalab.unc.edu
> http://www.ibiblio.org/london
>
>
>
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>
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RE: permaculture digest: October 25, 2000, Catherine Jo Morgan, 10/26/2000