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  • From: "Robert Jensen" <robertscroft@hotmail.com>
  • To: permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu
  • Subject: Re: Ecovillage stuff
  • Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:31:51 EST


Hello folks,
This string is really interesting. The philosophy of human communication dynamics and how to stay in tune and harmonise with a group of people.

My experience suggests, it is possible to maintain common interests for varying lengths of time, because people simple have different needs and cycles.

Perhaps another way of planning eco-village concepts is to plan for the volatility of human nature and recognise the interest in coming together for a common cause, whilst at the planning stage also plan for the inevitable separation.

Again from my experience, giving certainty to the drawing together and drawing apart means that when the time comes, there is no confusion as to what is owed by one to another. Thus relieving a great amount of the angst in separation.

Perhaps another way of saying this is; as ye sow, so shall ye reap, just make sure you add fertiliser and water along the way *smile*

Let the debate continue to rage, there are wonderful issues being discussed here.

Best wishes
Robert


From: "John Schinnerer" <johns@eco-living.net>
Reply-To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Ecovillage stuff
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:53:16 -0700

Aloha,

> naturally,
> the more personal relationship/friendship there is between the owner and
the
> lease-takers, the smoother it will work.

...IF the more personal relationship does not lead to unspoken assumptions
and leaving out explicit contractual details (if one chooses to go with the
business-contract model)..."oh, I know him/her really well, no need to get
picky about the fine print." A recipe for disaster later on...and of
course business contracts are broken every day, with varying consequences.

There's no "escape" from fundamental human relatings; not in "consensus,"
"democracy," "dictatorship," or anything else. Not much in formal PC
curriculum/practice invites to this either...a missing piece, work to be
done...

John Schinnerer
---------------------------
Cultural & Ecological Designing
Human Habitat Design
john@eco-living.net
http://eco-living.net



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