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RE: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes.
- From: "Ava Devenport" <essenheal@iname.com>
- To: permaculture
- Subject: RE: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes.
- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:15:7
On 08/25/00, "Judith Hanna <jehanna@gn.apc.org>" wrote:
> I've found myself shocked at times by people on this list blithely
> discussing introducing plants from here, there and yonder -- some of them
> already labelled as invasive weeds -- without discussing appropriateness to
> context, effect on existing local ecology, or exploring potential local
> plants with the relevant characteristics. Someone even dissed those who
> raised such 'context' concerns as 'eco-fascists'.
Dear Judith:
I can understand your points regarding the introduction of some plants, but
what are your views regarding plants that have been labelled as invasive
weeds, are native to their locality, have been observed for centuries as
medicinal and are 'ethnobotanically' considered endangered or at risk?
How would you go about saving a culturally significant plant and your right
to cultivate such?
There seems to be a problem in many localities regarding the ethics of
destroying an entire plant population within it's native habitat. We have
such a problem existing in our state in regards to Mullien. It's
culturally significant, abundant in CO, but scarce in some other regions,
it's also on our states list of noxious/invasive weeds and considered
illegal to propogate. We have spoken to many officials regarding the
Sanctuaries plight in saving native medicinals, but still come head to head
regarding the noxious weed laws. I've written letters, held conferences,
etc. on the values of such plants, cash crop vs. noxious weed, a new
agricultural source for small farmers as mullien is used extensively in
healing salves, cold remedies, etc.
Also, it is apparent in the US that many of our food crops are not native
to this country at all, so within permaculture design principles and
*intelligent application of the broad principles*, how would you define
which plants to cultivate when the natives are/may be NOT native at all, if
you trace the history of the plant back to it's origin?
If the principles ever become 'set in stone', it seems to me that we may be
setting up another version of third world starvation and the 'essence of
permaculture' would then have an entirely new and devastating meaning.
I'm not trying to be picky nor controversial, I'm trying to understand
when/how/why the 'principles and design' of permaculture may/may not have
gone too far beyond what is 'necessary' for survival(humans, plants and
wildlife). Is it possible to take the principles to this limit? Has it
BEEN done anywhere that anyone knows of?
Blessings,
Ava
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RE: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes.,
Judith Hanna, 08/25/2000
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., FranksFarm, 08/25/2000
- Re: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., Graham Burnett, 08/25/2000
- Re: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., Keith Johnson, 08/25/2000
- Re: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., FranksFarm, 08/26/2000
- RE: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., Ava Devenport, 08/28/2000
- Re: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., mangodance, 08/29/2000
- Re: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., Toby Hemenway, 08/29/2000
- Re: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., mangodance, 08/29/2000
- Re: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., Ava Devenport, 08/30/2000
- Re: all theory thread DESIGN PRINCIPLES used in our course notes., mangodance, 08/31/2000
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