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["Emily A. Noble" <guinep@theriver.com>]

Thank you, John, for the reference to Ivan Illich!  Good reading.      
Emily
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>From: John Schinnerer <John-Schinnerer@data-dimensions.com>
>To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>Subject: RE: Permaculture copyright
>Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2000, 12:57 PM
>

>Aloha,
>
>I see this argument has come around again...must be some kind of pattern...
>;-)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lee Flier [mailto:lflier@mindspring.com]
>
>>If, as we've been discussing, we ever want Permaculture to be accepted in
>>academic or corporate circles (and it needs to be), this is not the way to
>>go about it.  
>
>I suggest transcending/replacing such institutions (academia, corporatia)
>rather than being absorbed ("accepted") by them.  For those who think the
>"altering," co-opting, twisting, bending, perverting, etc. etc. of PC as
>delineated by M & H is bad now, just wait until academia and corporatia as
>we know them start messing with it...a little pattern recognition with
>regards to these systems' interactions with would-be external influences
>(such as PC) seems in order.  Which system in such an interaction is likely
>to change more...?
>
>For those who want PC to become a "profession," I suggest reading Ivan
>Illich on the manifold pathologies of "professions" - or just reflect on
the
>consequences of the medical profession, the legal profession, the academic
>professions, the technical professions, etc. etc.....
>
>My experience is that the more I desire to control something, the more
>clearly I am reminded (sooner or later) that "control" is an illusion.
>Perhaps we can simply rejoice that offshore pirate printing presses are not
>churning out millions of illegal copies of the designer's manual, intro to
>PC and so on...?  Then again, at half the price or less maybe more people
>would pick up a copy...wanting to have our cake and eat it too seem to be
an
>ongoing systemic complication.
>
>John Schinnerer
>
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