permaculture

["Kris Martin" <mars47@iinet.net.au>]

   Get real Robert Jensen, and stick your head up from your technological
coocoon, if from nowhere else! I find your remarks about paper totally
offensive, especially on a permaculture list. If I had to choose between
paper and other hydrocarbon technology, such as plastics, metal. wire,
glass. etc. (not to mention the destructive effects of excess
electromagnetic radiation) to get my permy info, then paper gets my vote
every time.....its your sort ot technological elitism that turns struggling
people against ideas such as PC... I guess the yuppies had to arrive
eventually............ho hum........shame there's no GST on
elitism.............

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Jensen <robertscroft@hotmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Date: Monday, June 05, 2000 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: PIJ RIP?


>Hi Russ,
>This is an interesting issue.   The demise of a paper publication is not
>necessarily a bad thing.
>
>The paper publishing cycle is not necessarily adding to peoples awareness
of
>the issues.
>
>At least here on the Web, everyone can participate in the development of
>ideas.
>
>For me, the web gives much greater scope for exploring ideas and drawing
>knowledge from other people.     Paper never did this for me.
>
>So perhaps the organisation publishing permaculture information may become
>stronger, now that the paper limitations have been shed.
>
>Any one have any views one way or the other..
>
>Regards
>Robert Jensen
>
>
>>From: Pacific Edge Permaculture <pacedge@magna.com.au>
>>Reply-To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>>To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>>Subject: Re: PIJ RIP?
>>Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 15:20:04 +1000
>>
>>Hello Marcus...
>>Yes, it is true.
>>
>>The current edition of the journal - 75 - was the final issue.
>>
>>The reasons for the PIJ's demise are primarily threefold:
>>
>>(1) There has been a substantial decline in sales over the past 12 months
>>
>>(2) Membership of Permaculture International, which published the PIJ, has
>>declined substantially
>>
>>(3) The cost burden which would have been imposed by the GST would have
>>made
>>the journal uncompetitive.
>>
>>Green Connections magazine has agreed to provide two pages of Permaculture
>>International networking information per issue starting August, plus
>>listing
>>of the course as was done by PIJ. Subscribers with outstanding magazines
>>will receive Green Connections in place of PIJ.
>>
>>I will be posting more on the demise of PIJ on our website (see address
>>below) - you will soon find it in Pacific Edge Reported newsletter on the
>>website.
>>
>>In August, a three day permaculture convergence has been called to discuss
>>the future of permaculture and there is currently a discussion over the
>>future of permaculture taking place via email. The convergence will be
held
>>to Robyn Francis' Djanbung Gardens in Nimbin.
>>
>>Please contact me of you want additional information.
>>
>>...Russ Grayson
>>
>>
>>---------------------
>>PACIFIC EDGE
>>Permaculture & Media
>>Russ Grayson and Fiona Campbell
>>
>>PO Box 446, Kogarah NSW 2217 AUSTRALIA
>>Phone/ fax   02-9588 6931   (IDD-61+2+9588 6931)
>>Email: pacedge@magna.com.au
>>WWW: http://www.magna.com.au/~pacedge/
>>
>>PERMACULTURE/ COMMUNITY BASED ESD: permaculture education + Australian
>>City Farms and Community Gardens Network (NSW contact) + organic gardening
>>training + overseas development aid project services.
>>MEDIA: publication design + desktop publishing services  + website design
+
>>journalism/ photojournalism.
>>
>>
>>
>>on 4/6/00 9:00 AM, 1Earth Permaculture at permaculture@start.com.au wrote:
>>
>> > Someone told me the other day that the Permaculture International
>> > Journal has folded - is this true?  If so, we have lost a valuable
>> > resource.
>> > Unfortunately, my subscription just ran out.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Marcus
>> >
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