permaculture

["Graham Burnett" <gburnett@unisonfree.net>]

Hey! Steady on!

I started this discussion in order to explore some concepts, have a bit of a 
debate, share some
ideas & perspectives- I certainly didn't plan to start a flame war or bring 
division into the
international permaculture community!!!

Lets remember the old people care thing and afford each other a bit of 
respect & leeway for our
different perspectives & get back on track to a constructive dialogue rather 
than personal jibes
:-)


Graham Burnett
35 Rayleigh Avenue
Westcliff On Sea
Essex, UK
SS0 7DS

South East Essex LETS
http://pages.unisonfree.net/gburnett/

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Pittman <pci@permaculture-inst.org>
To: permaculture <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: 22 March 2000 21:26
Subject: Re: Zone 6


> At 06:54 AM 3/22/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >others wrote:
> >> >I know for a fact that Bill never intended to
> >> >incorporate psychology, politics, or metaphysics into permaculture.
> >>
> >>o oh, now what about the chapter on patterns as well as the one on a
> >>global nation? if this isn't psychology, poltics, Politics and some
> >>metaphysics we clearly have a different definition of these terms.
> >
> >
> >Listen people: permaculture is very much about edges...any edge will do,
> >especially those edges which tend to stimulate the endocrine functions of
> >humans. Just like any debate-worthy practice, there are conservative
> >approaches, liberal approaches, fanatical approaches, and barely rational
> >approaches...all of which may be appropriate at a given time and/or place.
>
> I take it you tend toward the later two categories.
>
> >If people want to practice "Bill Mollison Brand" Permaculture, simply
> >study the sacred texts and/or talk directly with him if you can. Then you
> >will have downloaded from an accredited "father" and can quote him
> >accurately. No need to extend these concepts further then Bill.
>
> Since you insist of taking my words out of context for rhetoric's sake I
> must correct your seeming lack of comprehension.  I stated that before we
> change the themes covered in Bill's book that we should "think
> carefully".  The thinking part may have been what through you.  I didn't
> say or even intimate that we should slavishly follow the "sacred text" but
> that we should be careful.  What is it with this "father" thing - get some
> help and get over it!
>
> >I believe permaculture, as voiced by Mollison, is way bigger then he or
> >most people have envisioned. It continues beyond where Science can follow,
> >and its poetry is easily recognized when encountered. We're all
> >improvising with basic concepts currently comprehensible to "modern"
> >people, which arise out of ancient sentient earth patterns and traditions
> >seeded on this planet long ago by someone/thing we haven't yet accurately
> >described.
>
> It's comforting that you are ahead of Bill and "most people" in your
> comprehension of permaculture.  I do note your humility in the last 
> sentence.
>
>
> >And don't tell me that this is not true, because you do not know for sure
> >what life on earth is about, and I received this info as direct
> >transmission from Zone 6.
>
> Your attempt at levity belies your arrogance!
>
> Get real!
> Scott
>
>
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