permaculture

[georg <georg@2012.org>]

At 21:04 22.03.00 PST, you wrote:

>Additionally, the linguistic device of describing elder males who accomplish 
>great vision as fathers... like in "the fathers of this nation"... works 
>just fine as a term of respect in my estimation as a poetic tool. There's no 
>subtext or anything I need to "get over". Teaching and stewarding a stable, 
>agreed-upon foundation for collaborative practice has been a important 
>traditional role of older men, and also older women, even to the point of a 
>conservatism or orthodoxy to keep younger adepts on focused. I have no 

i think 'elders' is the acceptable term in the perma-cult ;-)