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- From: "Tom Berthold" <berthold@radiks.net>
- To: <permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu>
- Cc: "Tim Reynolds" <t.reynolds@motiv.co.uk>, <permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: food irradiation
- Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:40:01 -0700
You lost me after the dead meat part:
> But what you are talking about is dead meat...
Further on you seem to be making a point about the enviro-economics/ethics
involved in producing and consuming meat. Good point. Very plausible
concern. But what does that have to do with food irradiation or food
prep/preservation in general?
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> From: David Fuller <sol3az@igc.apc.org>
> To: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu
> Cc: Tim Reynolds <t.reynolds@motiv.co.uk>;
permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu
> Subject: Re: food irradiation
> Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 3:27 AM
>
> The object of food irradiation is to stop things moving. By that we mean
> genes, and their products, the various toxins that some E.coli strains
> produce.
>
> We digest proteins that we consume, and interconvert the oligopeptides
> and amino acids into the host of substances that make up our communities.
>
> We convert sugars...we assemble pretty much what 4 billion years of
> genetic experimentation has equipped us to deal with.
>
> But what you are talking about is dead meat...
>
> Very dead meat....meat that the autolysis process has begun to convert
> into the classic "tender" steak. The free radicals and lipid peroxides
> have just a tiny path length before they expire in a welter of
> half-denatured proteins (Rare Steak).
>
> A shame that the 25 million pounds of protein-rich food was wasted in a
> world that has so little care for its poor. We are not dealing with
> Cordon Bleu cooking here, but simply the need to provide the basic
> building blocks for life.
>
> On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:54:01 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <london@sunsite.unc.edu>
> > To: Tim Reynolds <t.reynolds@motiv.co.uk>
> > Cc: permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu
> > Subject: Re: food irradiation
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Tim Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > > > john valenzuela wrote:
> > > > > I don't see that food irradiation fits into permaculture.
> > Agreed. Why don't we try to end this thread pretty soon?
> >
> > > It is my understanding that irradiation of food makes use of high
> > > voltages to create ionising radiation, much the same way as x-rays
> > > are produced. In both processes there is no involvement of
> > > radioactive materials and no radioactive by-products.
> >
> > Wrong. Electricity is not used. Spent nuclear fuel is used to irradiate
> > food products. It probably kills enzymes in the food utilized by humans
> > for digestion. It may destroy vitamins & produce unhealthy or toxic
> > byproducts as well.
> >
> > For all you would like to know about food irradiation call:
> >
> > Food and Water
> > Vermont, USA
> > 1-800-EATSAFE (there may be a new number)
> > - maybe thay have email & a website
> >
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Re: food irradiation,
john valenzuela, 09/08/1997
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Re: food irradiation,
Tom Berthold, 09/09/1997
- Re: food irradiation, Craig Lanoye, 09/09/1997
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Re: food irradiation,
Tim Reynolds, 09/10/1997
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Re: food irradiation,
Lawrence F. London, Jr., 09/11/1997
- Re: food irradiation, Tim Reynolds, 09/11/1997
- Re: food irradiation, David Fuller, 09/13/1997
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Re: food irradiation,
Lawrence F. London, Jr., 09/11/1997
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: food irradiation,
Tom Berthold, 09/13/1997
- Re: food irradiation, Andrew Erb, 09/14/1997
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Re: food irradiation,
Tom Berthold, 09/09/1997
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