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[Barry Nichols <bnichols@ecotechinc.com>]

There is a LOT wrong with the opinion expressed below. I want to start off 
restating the aspects which ARE correct. NAFEX, like most similar 
organizations, has experienced a decline in membership. Boards become 
entrenched, people who worked tirelessly for organizations slow down, 
marketing and recruitment wane for decades and time shows culture changes 
quite a bit. So, I would agree that social media has a part to play in people 
focusing their interests and seeking out the proverbial birds-of-a-feather. 
Not too many years ago it might take weeks to get answers via mail unless one 
was willing to fork over a large amount for long-distance calls...remember 
those black things with the little dial with fingerholes? ;) That said, ALL 
communication platforms have limitations as well as areas of strength. If, as 
you rightly describe below, one is looking for "light conversation", social 
media works. How many of us want more info? Social media is also good for a 
sort of chat-of-the-moment. It is not as good as a listserv for more in depth 
discussions and archives...and that's fine. It wasn't designed to be. 
Additionally, just a presence on facebook doesn't mean that creates members. 
Years ago I was surprised at how many forum members were not members of 
NAFEX. The forum certainly had the attention of non-member fruit-growers. How 
can that be? 

The assumption that since everyone does not mindlessly accept certain 
communicative platforms means it is a generational issue, or that someone is 
really missing out if they don't interact on twitter and facebook is faulty 
at best. I *could* drive a Seguay across the country but would p[robably be 
better served in my trusty old car. Social media platforms ARE pretty good 
from a marketing perspective. However, because of the usability of the 
various platforms, many do not lend themselves well to more in-depth 
disussion. I'll take my copy of POMONA rather than have to wade through all 
the copy on Facebook or any of the other platforms-of-the-moment. <GASP>  
Lest this be turned into some rant from a luddite, I use computers, both 
professsionally and personally, day and night, I have 2 smartphones, a 
tablet, 3 desktops, and a laptop. I carry a signal booster in my vehicles 
because my work also takes me far off the beaten path. I LIKE technology. I 
just don't think some of the bells and whistles are worth trading away my 
privacy rights, nor do I think I should limit my interactions with others or 
my reading to easily digested bites found only on twitter and facebook...and 
I really don't need to see a picture of the really great pizza someone had 
for lunch. I do agree there should be a presence, but I think we should 
recognize why we're there, and the limitations as well as the benefits. We 
should also realize, we're not all going to drive the same cars. While some 
of us may stream content, we also buy CDs and DVDs.  And vinyl records are on 
the rise again...mainly fueled by a much younger audience who were not around 
for them the first time.  Social media should be additive NOT substitutive. 
YMMV...and as I stated before, that is why these platforms exist. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Deannie 
Hughes
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:24 PM
To: Jwlehman@aol.com; nafex mailing list at ibiblio
Subject: Re: [nafex] NAFEX on Facebook

Ladies and Gentlemen,
This conversation is one of the symtoms of a dying NAFEX. The refusal to 
change with the time and modes of communication means that no new people are 
coming into the fold. Young people have already moved beyond Facebook to 
newer platforms.
Facebook is there for light conversation. Pictures of your latest whatever, 
keeping in touch. Ibiblio can be a format for more in depth discussion.
Facebook can be an outreach tool to attract new people into the organization. 
Use it to make NAFEX look cool and fun and maybe it can grow a new crop of 
fruit lovers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jwlehman--- via nafex" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] NAFEX on Facebook


> Every day I get several messages where someone has posted a picture, I 
> could spend all day looking at pictures. The Indiana Nut & Fruit 
> Growers has a FB page. When someone posts a question one must sign on 
> to answer, then fight their commercials. Much simpler and faster to 
> reply to questions on this net, ibiblio.
> FB is OK for people with lots of time on their hands and don't mind 
> commercials, but not my cup of tea.
>
> Jerry Lehman
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2014 11:46:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com writes:
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:32 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My reason for mentioning this is that there are things that can be 
>> done
> to
>> integrate. In the very least, I or others that are on both can post
> things
>> back to this list. Since the Facebook group is public, the links of 
>> people's posts are viewable on the web, even if you are not a member.
>>
>> For instance I just posted a hopped apple mead recipe I just made. 
>> You should be able to click on this link and see the pictures and 
>> the
> recipe.
>>
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/21070015101/permalink/101526855689251
>> 02/
>>
>> ~mIEKAL
>
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. I did not know that FB offered public 
> viewing of pages configured for that level of access.
>
> I hope others with FB accounts will crosspost Nafex FB page posts, 
> comments, videos and images freely to this forum.
>
>
>
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