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>From: Lori Rizzo <rizzolori1@gmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 17, 2014 8:22 PM
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>Subject: Re: [nafex] Dear repellent
>
>While I was on Winter Island, Salem, MA, I came across these trees and
>someone there said he thought they were wild cherries. They don't seem to
>have the same structure as a cherry, but I tasted one and they do have
>similar taste and pit.
>
>I am not an orchardist or botanist, but am wondering if anyone knows what
>these might be. I wouldn't mind making a jelly out of them but don't want
>to get poisoned!  I can't remember if we can attach photos on this list,
>but will do so and see what happens.
>
>Thanks,
>Lori
>
>
>On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I cannot provide a more interesting repellent formula than what sounds to
>> be burnt bone juice- although I expect by using a pressure cooker and a
>> cast iron pan you could create something similar more easily if you don't
>> mind having to use a powered wire brush to get the remains off the pan
>> after burning the concentrated broth.    A little vinegar in the water
>> might free up more of the calcium and phosphorus if advice I've been given
>> about making a more nutritious broth is correct.  This might increase the
>> repellency.
>>
>> I would like to see the multi-year effectiveness of the given  formula
>> backed by some kind of research, it does sound too good to be true and it
>> doesn't sound so simple to make to me (and soup bones have become expensive
>> if you don't happen to slaughter your own animals).   If it is that long
>> lasting, someone should create a specific recipe, patent it and make a
>> fortune replacing fences in commercial orchards throughout the country with
>> their miracle product. There is a pretty big market for deer repellents.
>>
>> What I used for years in my nursery is mostly whipped eggs mixed with water
>> at about 2 eggs per gallon sprayed on the trees.  I'd often include bars of
>> Ivory soap, shredded and boiled in water then blended with the eggs.  Now
>> I'm using the eggs combined with Plantskyd- an expensive but long lasting
>> product made out of the blood of slaughtered animals.  The eggs allow me to
>> use a third the recommended concentration of the expensive commercial
>> product.
>>
>> Dried blood can also be used- I used to hang it from plastic bottles from
>> trees fermenting in water, but it was just too stinky and if you bumped a
>> bottle and got the stuff on you it was truly rank.  It did work all season
>> though and I only needed a bottle about every 10 feet or so.   People
>> sometimes just sprinkle it out of the package onto foliage.  Eventually I
>> will probably replace Plantskyd with powdered blood in my formula, adding a
>> spreader-sticker for good measure.  I just don't see it in garden centers
>> any more.
>>
>> I always mix more of any repellent than I can possibly use quickly and let
>> the stuff ferment  into a toxic and foul smelling mixture, which also
>> allows me to stretch the mixture longer.  I've been sizing up fruit trees
>> in my nursery for over two decades in major deer territory without fencing
>> by using fencing and can vouch for their efficacy.
>>
>> Millorganite in cloth satchels can also work reasonably well.
>>
>> Ultimately, I recommend growing the trees above the browse line.  Deer are
>> helpful at eating drops and reducing insect and disease pressure.  Real
>> fruit should grow on real trees in my book.
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>-- 
>Lori Rizzo, BSN MBA RN
>*Healthcare Quality & Performance Improvement*
>*Behavioral Dog Training & Counseling*
>*Heirloom & Unusual Vegetable Propagation*
>*Dedham, MA*
>*rizzolori1@gmail.com <rizzolori1@gmail.com>*