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- From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
- To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>, Steve Herje <loneroc1@gmail.com>
- Subject: Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn)
- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 08:06:04 -0400
And I'm the opposite. I eat white sweet corn, (and yellow, and bi-color) but
I go to some trouble to buy only yellow corn meal and yellow corn chips. The
white ones have almost no corn flavor.
I assume Naomi prefers the flavor of yellow sweet corn.
--
Typed with Swype. Who knows what I meant to say?
On June 5, 2014 7:57:16 AM EDT, Steve Herje <loneroc1@gmail.com> wrote:
>Naomi,
>Any particular reason it has to be non-white? Maybe it's just my
>upbringing but white corn is for people; yellow corn is fer beasts.
>
>I can tolerate yellow sweetcorn if I must, but the more it's processed,
>the
>less I find yellow corn to be edible. Fritos i'n't even starvation
>food.
>
>Steve H. Lone Rock SW WI USA
>On Jun 5, 2014 12:01 AM, "Naomi Counides" <naomi@oznayim.us> wrote:
>
>> No I am not planning to go commercial, so I probably will not have to
>do
>> time for plant patent infringement.
>>
>> What attracts me to the Tuxedo is smut resistance in a sweet corn
>that it
>> is not white, does have good flavor, good tip cover and a good sized
>ear.
>>
>> I was planning to save maybe 3 ears out of the approximately 100
>plants in
>> my garden this year. It is too late to do another variety along with
>it.
>> If I understand single seed descent.. three ears is not it. Now If
>the
>> tuxedo develops any smut this year.. I am not saving a single seed.
>(and I
>> will be saved from a life of crime)
>>
>> I have been trying to find other smut resistant non-white, tasty
>sweet corn
>> varieties. So far I have found these but I am not sure I can
>actually get
>> the seed.
>>
>> Sweet Rhythm (HMX 3354BES) - Breeder: T.Natti. Vendor: Harris Moran.
>> Characteristics: 70 day maturity, bicolor, dark green attractive
>husk, 7.5"
>> ears, 16-18 rows, very good eating quality, has se and shrunken-2
>endosperm
>> on the ear, good seedling vigor. Resistance: tolerance to stewarts
>wilt,
>> common smut. Similar: Seneca Brave.
>>
>> Sweet Symphony (HMX2349BES) - Breeder: T.Natti. Vendor: Harris Moran.
>> Characteristics: 75 day maturity, bicolor, good husk cover, fair flag
>> leaves, light green color, 7-7.5" ears, good tip fill, sometimes a
>small
>> tassel tip, good sweetness and flavor with se and shrunken-2 kernels.
>> Resistance: tolerance to common smut, stewarts wilt. Similar:
>Harmony.
>>
>> The Tuxedo is in England.
>>
>> If I would cross next year, It would be a non-white good sized tasty
>sweet
>> corn without the smut resistance that I am hoping to retain. Or I
>could
>> just order corn seed from England.
>> Naomi
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
>Anton
>> Callaway
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:25 PM
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn)
>>
>> Naomi,
>>
>> Corn breeders typically use elite inbreds to make their hybrid seed.
>They
>> are also very protective of their germplasm. I'd be more worried
>about
>> legal ramifications of saving the seed than inbreeding depression in
>the
>> early generations. Assuming that this is not a concern, in the F2 or
>F3
>> generation where you would be initially growing, you will see a
>variety of
>> phenotypes, but not inbreeding depression yet. If you took care to
>save a
>> population of seed and especially if you brought in another germplasm
>into
>> the mix, you could save a pool of seed that preserves the
>characteristics
>> you like without having a huge yield penalty. I assume you don't
>plan to
>> grow this corn for commercial purposes. If not, a small yield
>penalty even
>> many generations down the road would likely not be noticeable to a
>home
>> grower.
>>
>> Just don't take it through single seed descent. Then you will
>definitely
>> see inbreeding depression in later generations.
>>
>> Anton
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Naomi Counides <naomi@oznayim.us>
>> >Sent: Jun 3, 2014 8:18 AM
>> >To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> >Subject: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn)
>> >
>> >I made a last minute decision to plant some sweet corn. Found a
>2007
>> >package of Tuxedo in the bottom of my seed box. Pre-sprouted it and
>it
>> >worked. So I planted it. Then I looked up Tuxedo. I found that it
>> >was a smut resistant yellow sweet corn with good tip cover and good
>> >eating qualities, Sugar Enhanced hybrid and the only seed source is
>in
>> England.
>> >http://www.halcyonplants.co.uk/index.php?page=product_details
>>
>><http://www.halcyonplants.co.uk/index.php?page=product_details&product_
>> >id=13
>> >48> &product_id=1348 So. if I want to try and save seed from this
>year
>> >48> and
>> >maybe work toward stabilizing it, what are my challenges? How
>should I
>> >proceed?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Or, I am not really that hooked into it. I would settle for the
>name
>> >of another smut resistant yellow or bicolor sweet corn that tastes
>very
>> good.
>> >
>> >Naomi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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[nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Naomi Counides, 06/03/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Melissa Kacalanos, 06/03/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Naomi Counides, 06/04/2014
- Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn), Lee Reich, 06/05/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Naomi Counides, 06/04/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Anton Callaway, 06/04/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Naomi Counides, 06/05/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Steve Herje, 06/05/2014
- Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn), Ginda Fisher, 06/05/2014
- Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn), Naomi Counides, 06/05/2014
- Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn), Dr. Lucky Pittman, 06/05/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Melissa Kacalanos, 06/05/2014
- Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn), Naomi Counides, 06/05/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Steve Herje, 06/05/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Naomi Counides, 06/05/2014
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Re: [nafex] OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn),
Melissa Kacalanos, 06/03/2014
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