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[sherwin <sherwindu@att.net>]

  I think Larry explained this quite clearly.  There is a known problem 
with
  mail sent by AOL and Yahoo people.  Ibiblio, our server for the forum is
  attempting to forward these messages to Nafex forum members and is
  flagging it as spam.  This is because AOL and Yahoo have gone over to a
  format that is no longer standard in the industry.  I believe only 
Gmail users
like yourself are seeing these messages as spam.  Other email handlers like
sbcglobal, AT&T, etc., are just discarding them.  I don't know how this is
going to be fixed, but there is nothing that Ibiblio can do about it.  I 
manage
the Midfex forum on Ibiblio, and we are seeing the same behavior over there.

                  Sherwin Dubren

On 5/2/2014 9:21 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
> your message, Steve, was in my spam filter
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Steve <sdw12986@aol.com> wrote:
> > Interesting. I have been using an AOL address on this group for years. It
> > has never cause me to be dropped from the list and my messages seem to
> > always show up. I can't say if they show up in the spam folder for certain
> > members.
> > I did have problems with a completely different group that uses freelists
> > instead of ibiblio. I was using a different AOL address there and I had to
> > switch to my G mail account because I kept getting dropped from the group
> > and some people didn't get my messages.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 4/30/2014 4:06 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > > Yahoo! and AOL have decided that you are not allowed to forward
> > > messages from their members, and enforce it using a DMARC policy which
> > > requests that receiving mail servers bounce the mail, effectively
> > > causing a denial of service attack on their own users.  Large services
> > > like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting the policy despite
> > > the adverse effect on their users (ie, getting unsubscribed).  GMail
> > > seems to have a more nuanced response so that at least some mailing
> > > lists get through.
> > >
> > > The problem occurs with posts*by*  users with Yahoo and AOL addresses,
> > > although it is experienced by your entire subscriber base (that is,
> > > any subscriber at a service which respects the DMARC policy).
> > >
> > > There is no generally satisfactory way for mailing lists to deal with
> > > this.  Several options and a lot of discussion are in the threads with
> > > "DMARC" or "Yahoo" in the subject at
> > >
> > >       http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > >
> > > tl;dr summary is
> > >
> > >       http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg63959.html
> > >
> > > The most palatable option for most list operators seems likely to be
> > > setting the "from_is_list" option, but that requires Mailman >= 2.1.16
> > > (avoid 2.1.17, IIRC it has a related bug that needs to be patched for
> > > from_is_list to work properly, and 2.1.18 is not quite released yet,
> > > but should come out literally any day now).
> > >
> > > Whatever option you adopt for your list, your AOL and Yahoo users
> > > should be advised that their email provider's policy is causing the
> > > problem, and that they can defend themselves by switching providers
> > > (GMail seems to be handling the situation best at the moment).  You
> > > probably don't want to*advocate*  switching, but that's up to you.
> > > However, it*is*  an effective remedy for the subscriber, if they are
> > > willing to pay the (often substantial) annoyance cost of switching
> > > email addresses.
> > >
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