North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio

[Steve <sdw12986@aol.com>]

Oh good grief. Not 10 seconds after I wrote the message below, I looked 
down the list and found that I had been dropped from THIS list due to 
excessive bounces. I guess there will need to be a new G mail address in 
my near future.

Steve
PS this is a 2nd attempt on this one.



On 5/2/2014 12:16 PM, Steve wrote:
> Interesting. I have been using an AOL address on this group for years.
> It has never cause me to be dropped from the list and my messages seem
> to always show up. I can't say if they show up in the spam folder for
> certain members.
> I did have problems with a completely different group that uses
> freelists instead of ibiblio. I was using a different AOL address there
> and I had to switch to my G mail account because I kept getting dropped
> from the group and some people didn't get my messages.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 4/30/2014 4:06 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > Yahoo! and AOL have decided that you are not allowed to forward
> > messages from their members, and enforce it using a DMARC policy which
> > requests that receiving mail servers bounce the mail, effectively
> > causing a denial of service attack on their own users.  Large services
> > like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting the policy despite
> > the adverse effect on their users (ie, getting unsubscribed).  GMail
> > seems to have a more nuanced response so that at least some mailing
> > lists get through.
> >
> > The problem occurs with posts*by*  users with Yahoo and AOL addresses,
> > although it is experienced by your entire subscriber base (that is,
> > any subscriber at a service which respects the DMARC policy).
> >
> > There is no generally satisfactory way for mailing lists to deal with
> > this.  Several options and a lot of discussion are in the threads with
> > "DMARC" or "Yahoo" in the subject at
> >
> >      http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > tl;dr summary is
> >
> >      http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg63959.html
> >
> > The most palatable option for most list operators seems likely to be
> > setting the "from_is_list" option, but that requires Mailman >= 2.1.16
> > (avoid 2.1.17, IIRC it has a related bug that needs to be patched for
> > from_is_list to work properly, and 2.1.18 is not quite released yet,
> > but should come out literally any day now).
> >
> > Whatever option you adopt for your list, your AOL and Yahoo users
> > should be advised that their email provider's policy is causing the
> > problem, and that they can defend themselves by switching providers
> > (GMail seems to be handling the situation best at the moment).  You
> > probably don't want to*advocate*  switching, but that's up to you.
> > However, it*is*  an effective remedy for the subscriber, if they are
> > willing to pay the (often substantial) annoyance cost of switching
> > email addresses.
> >
> > Regards