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  • From: mIEKAL aND <>
  • To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <>
  • Subject: Re: [nafex] anyone know why a lot of the NAFEX posts are going in my gmail spam filter?
  • Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:21:40 -0500

your message, Steve, was in my spam filter

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Steve <> wrote:
> Interesting. I have been using an AOL address on this group for years. It
> has never cause me to be dropped from the list and my messages seem to
> always show up. I can't say if they show up in the spam folder for certain
> members.
> I did have problems with a completely different group that uses freelists
> instead of ibiblio. I was using a different AOL address there and I had to
> switch to my G mail account because I kept getting dropped from the group
> and some people didn't get my messages.
> Steve
> On 4/30/2014 4:06 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
>> Yahoo! and AOL have decided that you are not allowed to forward
>> messages from their members, and enforce it using a DMARC policy which
>> requests that receiving mail servers bounce the mail, effectively
>> causing a denial of service attack on their own users. Large services
>> like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting the policy despite
>> the adverse effect on their users (ie, getting unsubscribed). GMail
>> seems to have a more nuanced response so that at least some mailing
>> lists get through.
>> The problem occurs with posts*by* users with Yahoo and AOL addresses,
>> although it is experienced by your entire subscriber base (that is,
>> any subscriber at a service which respects the DMARC policy).
>> There is no generally satisfactory way for mailing lists to deal with
>> this. Several options and a lot of discussion are in the threads with
>> "DMARC" or "Yahoo" in the subject at
>> tl;dr summary is
>> The most palatable option for most list operators seems likely to be
>> setting the "from_is_list" option, but that requires Mailman >= 2.1.16
>> (avoid 2.1.17, IIRC it has a related bug that needs to be patched for
>> from_is_list to work properly, and 2.1.18 is not quite released yet,
>> but should come out literally any day now).
>> Whatever option you adopt for your list, your AOL and Yahoo users
>> should be advised that their email provider's policy is causing the
>> problem, and that they can defend themselves by switching providers
>> (GMail seems to be handling the situation best at the moment). You
>> probably don't want to*advocate* switching, but that's up to you.
>> However, it*is* an effective remedy for the subscriber, if they are
>> willing to pay the (often substantial) annoyance cost of switching
>> email addresses.
>> Regards
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