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In a message dated 11/26/2012 10:16:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
filtertitle@aol.com writes:

> If one were in a region suitable to successfully grow Japanese persimmon 
> (kaki) and American persimmon (virginiana), would there still be much of an 
> advantage to growing a hybrid persimmon such as "Nikita's Gift" (3/4 
> kaki), "Rosseyanka" (1/2 kaki), or the David Lavergne crosses such as 
> "Honan Red 
> Seedling"?    

Hello Steve,

Quite frankly no. But for a variation of persimmon tastes and fruit colors 
I'd recommend including Nikita's Gift. It has a beautiful red color, redder 
than most except for maybe Hunan Red. It is sweeter than most American. A 
downfall, it can have many small undeveloped seeds with seed sacks which can 
be an inconvenience when pulping.          

Jerry
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Last year I put on a grafting workshop on April 28.  (We are in zone 5b).  
The buds in the 
orchard were clearly swelling by this time, (although my scions were nice and 
dormant).  My 
intention was to graft onto understocks which I had arranged to purchase 
through our local 
ag supply store.  We have no sources of rootstocks in Canada, and are 
dependent on getting 
them from the States.  And my supplier was unable to liberate his shipment of 
rootstocks in 
time for my workshop. Great angst...
This coming spring, I plan on doing it again.  But this time I wonder whether 
I can avoid the 
fiasco of last year by scheduling the workshop later in May.  My scion wood 
will happily live in 
my fridge for a few more weeks.  The rootstocks will presumably come in 
dormant and 
refrigerated, so will be sleeping also.  Do any of you experienced 
orchardists have any advice 
to offer on the wisdom of grafting onto dormant rootstocks, to be planted in 
the ground 
immediately afterwards, at a time when most trees have long since broken 
dormancy, and 
indeed may well be in flower?  What think you of the idea of actually heeling 
in the rootstocks 
when, (and presumably if), I get them ahead of the workshop, and allowing 
them to break 
dormancy prior to the workshop?  (ie now, instead of grafting dormant scions 
on dormant 
rootstocks - which ultimately is not really different fom winter grafting - I 
will be grafting onto 
actively growing rootstocks, (more akin to field grafting, except that the 
poor rootstocks are 
going to be rudely ripped from their beds and replanted elsewhere, at a time 
they are 
desperately trying to heal catastophic (at least from the perspective of an 
apple tree) 
wounds.)