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[Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>]

Scott,

I consider any plant hardy here unless I've killed it myself at least twice, 
so I'm not ruling out 'Black Pearl' yet. I've been surprised that some herbs 
that aren't supposed to be hardy here, which I was planning on growing as 
annuals, overwintered just fine.

I guess I'll order 'Black Diamond' as a substitute, but the official 
description of it from the USDA says it's less delicious than 'Black Pearl.'

Thanks for your generous offer of other plants in fall. What varieties do you 
have? I have plants to trade if you like. I'm overrun with strawberries, for 
instance, and also have lots of tasty herbs.

Melissa



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Melissa, Black Pearl is not hardy for you.  I tried growing it several years 
and it died back every year.  I am in zone 7 so your odds will be worse than 
mine.

I am trying a dozen or so different trailing blackberries now and several 
appear to be hardy for me, but the final verdict is not in yet (last winter 
it only got down to about 10F, putting me in zone 8!).  If you want a couple 
plants to experiment with email me late fall and I can dig up and mail them 
to you.  You also may want to try Black Diamond, it didn't die back at all 
for me yet.  One Green World is selling it now.  Don't look at the zones in 
the catalogs for these blackberries, they are almost always wrong.

Scott

On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:

> Last year, I ordered a 'Black Pearl Thornless' blackberry from Raintree. It 
> arrived dead. They offered to replace it for free this year, but now they 
> don't have it, and are offering something else in exchange.
> 
> I could just accept that it's my fate to never grow 'Black Pearl.' Is it 
> available anywhere? My attempt at googling doesn't turn up any nurseries 
> selling it. If anyone here has a rooted cutting or something to spare, I 
> could trade other plants for it.
> 
> Melissa
> Central NY, recently reclassified from zone 5 to zone 6.
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I would say Black Pearl is definately worth a try, especially if you can 
train it so you lay the canes down and protect them over the winter (it is a 
trailing blackberry, afterall).  Black Diamond does not have nearly the 
flavor of Black Pearl, and I've never been particularly fond of it for fresh 
eating.  Berries Unlimited carries Black Pearl but I see that they are sold 
out for the season.  I have a teleconference with the breeder of Black Pearl 
tomorrow morning.  I will make sure to ask him if he knows of any 
non-wholesale sources.
 
Michael

Michael Dossett
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www.Mdossettphoto.com
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From: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [nafex] 'Black Pearl Thornless' blackberry source?

Scott,

I consider any plant hardy here unless I've killed it myself at least twice, 
so I'm not ruling out 'Black Pearl' yet. I've been surprised that some herbs 
that aren't supposed to be hardy here, which I was planning on growing as 
annuals, overwintered just fine.

I guess I'll order 'Black Diamond' as a substitute, but the official 
description of it from the USDA says it's less delicious than 'Black Pearl.'

Thanks for your generous offer of other plants in fall. What varieties do you 
have? I have plants to trade if you like. I'm overrun with strawberries, for 
instance, and also have lots of tasty herbs.

Melissa



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Melissa, Black Pearl is not hardy for you.  I tried growing it several years 
and it died back every year.  I am in zone 7 so your odds will be worse than 
mine.

I am trying a dozen or so different trailing blackberries now and several 
appear to be hardy for me, but the final verdict is not in yet (last winter 
it only got down to about 10F, putting me in zone 8!).  If you want a couple 
plants to experiment with email me late fall and I can dig up and mail them 
to you.  You also may want to try Black Diamond, it didn't die back at all 
for me yet.  One Green World is selling it now.  Don't look at the zones in 
the catalogs for these blackberries, they are almost always wrong.

Scott

On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:

> Last year, I ordered a 'Black Pearl Thornless' blackberry from Raintree. It 
> arrived dead. They offered to replace it for free this year, but now they 
> don't have it, and are offering something else in exchange.
> 
> I could just accept that it's my fate to never grow 'Black Pearl.' Is it 
> available anywhere? My attempt at googling doesn't turn up any nurseries 
> selling it. If anyone here has a rooted cutting or something to spare, I 
> could trade other plants for it.
> 
> Melissa
> Central NY, recently reclassified from zone 5 to zone 6.
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Melissa, I have the same see-for-myself attitude so I can't complain when I 
see it in others :-)  Just don't expect super high odds.  Its too bad you 
didn't post a month or two ago, thats when I dug up and threw away my last 
Black Pearls.

I had good luck growing not so hardy varieties like Marion by putting the 
canes on the ground and covering with aluminum bubble wrap insulation, and 
nearly as good a results with a heavy dose of leaves.  Its a lot of work 
however and at some point I decided it wasn't worth the effort.  But, its 
something to keep in mind if the Black Pearl are not working out uncovered.

I have also heard Black Diamond is not as tasty, but the couple berries I 
have gotten so far were excellent.  It probably has to do with growing 
conditions, we are warmer in the summer than the northwest.  Metolius is 
considered good-tasting but its downright bad in my yard, they weren't even 
worth the effort to pick (and, the birds didn't even eat them all).

The thornless varieties I am trialing include Orus 1431-1 (seems very hardy), 
NZ 9671-1, and NZ 9351-4.  Wild Treasure is another commercially available 
one you might want to consider, its borderline hardy however.

Scott z7 MD

On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Michael Dossett wrote:

> I would say Black Pearl is definately worth a try, especially if you can 
> train it so you lay the canes down and protect them over the winter (it is 
> a trailing blackberry, afterall).  Black Diamond does not have nearly the 
> flavor of Black Pearl, and I've never been particularly fond of it for 
> fresh eating.  Berries Unlimited carries Black Pearl but I see that they 
> are sold out for the season.  I have a teleconference with the breeder of 
> Black Pearl tomorrow morning.  I will make sure to ask him if he knows of 
> any non-wholesale sources.
>  
> Michael
> 
> Michael Dossett
> Mission, British Columbia
> www.Mdossettphoto.com
> phainopepla@yahoo.com
> 
> From: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>
> To: Scott Smith <scott@cs.jhu.edu>; nafex mailing list at ibiblio 
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] 'Black Pearl Thornless' blackberry source?
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I consider any plant hardy here unless I've killed it myself at least 
> twice, so I'm not ruling out 'Black Pearl' yet. I've been surprised that 
> some herbs that aren't supposed to be hardy here, which I was planning on 
> growing as annuals, overwintered just fine.
> 
> I guess I'll order 'Black Diamond' as a substitute, but the official 
> description of it from the USDA says it's less delicious than 'Black Pearl.'
> 
> Thanks for your generous offer of other plants in fall. What varieties do 
> you have? I have plants to trade if you like. I'm overrun with 
> strawberries, for instance, and also have lots of tasty herbs.
> 
> Melissa
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Scott Smith <scott@cs.jhu.edu>
> To: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>; nafex mailing list at ibiblio 
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] 'Black Pearl Thornless' blackberry source?
> 
> Melissa, Black Pearl is not hardy for you.  I tried growing it several 
> years and it died back every year.  I am in zone 7 so your odds will be 
> worse than mine.
> 
> I am trying a dozen or so different trailing blackberries now and several 
> appear to be hardy for me, but the final verdict is not in yet (last winter 
> it only got down to about 10F, putting me in zone 8!).  If you want a 
> couple plants to experiment with email me late fall and I can dig up and 
> mail them to you.  You also may want to try Black Diamond, it didn't die 
> back at all for me yet.  One Green World is selling it now.  Don't look at 
> the zones in the catalogs for these blackberries, they are almost always 
> wrong.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
> 
>> Last year, I ordered a 'Black Pearl Thornless' blackberry from Raintree. 
>> It arrived dead. They offered to replace it for free this year, but now 
>> they don't have it, and are offering something else in exchange.
>> 
>> I could just accept that it's my fate to never grow 'Black Pearl.' Is it 
>> available anywhere? My attempt at googling doesn't turn up any nurseries 
>> selling it. If anyone here has a rooted cutting or something to spare, I 
>> could trade other plants for it.
>> 
>> Melissa
>> Central NY, recently reclassified from zone 5 to zone 6.
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