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  • From: Scott Smith <scott@cs.jhu.edu>
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  • Subject: Re: [nafex] Any point to growing 'Danube'/'Jubileum' sweet-sour cherry Hungarian hybrids - if you already have sweet AND sour cherries.
  • Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:49:52 -0500

I had Danube and Jubileum until a year or two ago. I don't know where you
heard Danube was a cross but I think that is just a marketing stunt since it
looks a bit more like a sweet cherry; it is the Hungarian sour cherry called
Erdi Botermo. Similarly for Jubileum (Erdi Jubileum). I found Montmorency
to have a lot more flavor/aroma than the Hungarian sour cherries and for
cooking I decided it was better to have one variety so I could do one big
harvest, so I chopped down the Hungarian sours. In terms of eating out of
hand, any dead-ripe sour cherry I enjoy out of hand, and I enjoy Montmorency
the most. The tree growth etc was pretty much identical, looking at the
trees I could see no observable sweet cherry genes in the Hungarian
cultivars. So, on the disease front there should be no appreciable
difference.

Scott


On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Steven Covacci wrote:

>
>
> Any point to growing 'Danube'/'Jubileum' sweet-sour cherry hybrids - if you
> already have a collection of sweet cherries and a separate collection of
> sour cherries.
> Since the Hungarian hybrid cherries ('Danube', 'Jubilieum') have P. avium
> in them, they are - as recently stated - more susceptible to brown-root
> then with pure P. cerasus varieties typically are.
> And, as John Henderson mentioned, they are not sweet-enough to compete with
> the better sweet-cherry cultivars; they do not have enough of the true
> sour-cherry flavor character that the better pure P. cerasus sour-cherries
> have.
> John, disappointingly states: "...not quite an eating-of-our-hand
> [varieties]". So many descriptions, including that of Cummins Nursery, yet
> remark that these are delicious out-of-hand cherries.
> So, then what's the point of growing these hybrid cherries? Is it because
> this is a smaller alternative to sweet-cherry? Or is it because some don't
> really like true sour-cherry.
> I'm already growing (or about to):
>
> Sweet cherries - Benton, Black Gold, and White Gold
> Sour cherry (true) - North Star*, Evans (Bali) - as an experiment
>
>
>
> Secondly, since I live in zone 6b NJ, will I end-up with disease issues
> with my 'North Star' sour-cherry? If so, should I give it away and restart
> with 'Sumadinka', since I'm looking for a red-juiced variety of
> sour-cherry? I saw some data excluding 'Sumadinka' under the category of
> self-fruitful; that would not be something I like.
> So, I may be looking for a variety (preferably semi-dwarf) that is
> red-fruited, self-fertile, etc. as a replacement for 'North Star'; or
> should 'North Star' do well in the northeast (zone 6).
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
>
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