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- From: "Kieran &/or Donna" <holycow@frontiernet.net>
- To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: [NAFEX] THE BEST APPLES, EVER
- Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 09:15:00 -0600
I want to send this in to Pomona, but maybe some of
you would like to add your comments, (with your email addresses too). I
expect all you in the East are suffering from cabin fever and would like to
think about summertime themes. (This last batch of weather missed us,
except it's pretty cold. I do remember some horror story of a son who got
the bright idea of deep feeding some mulberry tree..... Anyway, further
stories, further interpretations of the stories, whatever you think might be
relevant. I think we expect Pomona to tell us about varieties and local
experiences, but there is universal information that can help anyone. I
remember T.O. Warren's article on grafting successes and failures, and at first
I was disappointed in what he said, it was too simple, yet in the end it was the
best advice I've ever received on grafting. He said have strong
rootstock, healthy scions, and a sharp knife. I was expecting some kind of
great secret.... Donna
THE BEST APPLES, EVER Donna Hudson holycow@frontiernet.net A woman I used to correspond with told me
this story, shes not a Nafexer or even much of a gardener. When Betty and her husband bought their
house in There is of course a moral to this story,
(besides the possibility that a person could have a sewer leak accidentally on
purpose if they worked at it a little.)
And that is that the average fruit nut with average fruit trees in their
average backyard, could do better than average with proper nutrition and enough
water. Yes, it helps to plant the
right varieties on the right rootstocks and to have fortuitously bought a lot
containing 15 ft of One July a friend told me that shed canned 5 quarts of pickled peppers. I asked how many plants she had, just 3. I had 2 dozen plants, and nothing to can yet, so I asked her secret. She said on vacation one day theyd seen a house with one tomato plant covering the whole end of the house up to the eaves, and loaded with tomatoes from top to bottom. Her husband asked the owner how hed done it, and he said, Miracle-Gro, every single day. So thats what theyd been doing with their 3 pepper plants. Now Im into organic gardening, but I want people to succeed, and I want them to be so impressed by how much food they can grow that theyll be hooked for life, so I recommend this to beginners. At a garden club meeting one time a successful market gardener said that we spend a lot of time talking about the top 6 of soil, and maybe not enough talking about deeper down. Hed seen an avocado grove planted where a coconut grove had been destroyed by a hurricane. The owner had laid the trunks flat side by side and bulldozed dirt over them. He said that it was very obvious which section of the grove was planted over the coconut trunks, and which wasnt. He saw this effect again at an experiment station in the Ozarks where they were trying to grow grapes in the heavy clay with very little success. Finally in desperation they took a ditch digger and made trenches 4 deep which they filled with sawdust, and then the vines would grow. And finally, a Nafexers story. This person had the same variety of apple on both MM111 and on M7. He said the 111 tree made big perfect fruit, and the 7 tree made stunted little things. I would suspect wooly apple aphids, because I have seen trees runted out by them here. But looking more closely, I would say that MM111 could deliver water and nutrient to the top of the tree better than a shallow rooted semidwarf stock could do, especially if the SD stock was having its life sucked out. So what do we see in these stories? In the first 2 we are looking at nutrients supplied with plenty of water. In the sewer line story there would have been trace minerals as well as NPK. Nitrogen was probably not too high compared to P and K, and in the latter stories the wood in the ground probably held N and allowed it to be released slowly. All of these stories have to do with water and nutrients down in the root zone. Each of these stories contains control plants to contrast the experimental ones against. The neighbors trees, and later on the experimental trees without their leaky sewer line. My pepper plants vs my friends, the grapevines before and after the ditches full of sawdust, the avocado trees with and without rotting palm trunks under them. We all have plants that are already our controls, all we need to do now is make changes to see if the plants respond. There are a few precautions to take. Dont stimulate late growth if you live in a climate with treacherous winters and possible sudden cold snaps. Especially avoid this if your apple trees are on MM106. Nitrogen and rapid growth are probably not what your trees need anyway. Manure often contains too much N and can delay young trees cropping or throw mature trees into growth spurts instead of making more fruit. Trees are more likely to need phosphate or potassium or trace minerals or just to have the soil loosened up so it holds water, nutrients, and trace minerals better. I would say, You can hardly go wrong adding
organic matter, but the world has changed in recent years, and yes you can go
wrong adding organic matter. Hay or
straw that was sprayed with Picloram, Clopyralid, or Aminopyralid will damage
garden plants, and we dont know what it might do to trees. Manure from animals that have been fed
hay that was sprayed with these herbicides will also kill plants. These herbicides have been temporarily
banned in
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[NAFEX] THE BEST APPLES, EVER,
Kieran &/or Donna, 02/03/2011
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Re: [NAFEX] THE BEST APPLES, EVER,
Leslie Moyer, 02/03/2011
- Re: [NAFEX] THE BEST APPLES, EVER, Richard Wagner, 02/03/2011
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[NAFEX] Hazelnuts in NC OT?,
Hilborn . E, 02/03/2011
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Re: [NAFEX] Hazelnuts in NC OT?,
Amelia Hayner, 02/03/2011
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Re: [NAFEX] Hazelnuts in NC OT?,
Scott Smith, 02/03/2011
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Re: [NAFEX] Hazelnuts in NC OT?,
Amelia Hayner, 02/03/2011
- Re: [NAFEX] Hazelnuts in NC OT?, Kieran &/or Donna, 02/03/2011
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Re: [NAFEX] Hazelnuts in NC OT?,
Amelia Hayner, 02/03/2011
- Re: [NAFEX] Hazelnuts in NC OT?, Kieran &/or Donna, 02/03/2011
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Re: [NAFEX] Hazelnuts in NC OT?,
Scott Smith, 02/03/2011
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Re: [NAFEX] Hazelnuts in NC OT?,
Amelia Hayner, 02/03/2011
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[NAFEX] Jujube: Tigertooth or Sugarcane for the southeast,
Hilborn . E, 02/03/2011
- Re: [NAFEX] Jujube: Tigertooth or Sugarcane for the southeast, Amelia Hayner, 02/03/2011
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Re: [NAFEX] THE BEST APPLES, EVER,
Leslie Moyer, 02/03/2011
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