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- From: "Kieran and/or Donna" <holycow@frontiernet.net>
- To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples
- Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:52:59 -0500
|  David,      Thank you.  I have Winesap 
and the related Mammoth Blacktwig (which isn't nearly as good but comes in very 
late and keeps pretty well) because of their CAR resistance.  If I remember 
correctly scab is favored by cooler temps than we have in our Tennessee 
summers.  That means scab will grow fine early and late in the season, but 
not in the middle.  Mind you, that may be as long as the entire season 
further north, so it may be a bigger problem than I think it is.  They had 
a terrible year in western WA this year for anything fruit or gardenwise.  
It was a cold wet spring and summer just didn't arrive.  My son had a hive 
of bees starve to death in June because there were still no flowers for 
them.  He has all these apple trees in his front yard that make apples 
without his apparently lifting a finger.  Well, that's not true, he has 
those sticky red balls for apple maggot, but the irritating thing is that they 
grow while my trees sit around doing nothing for years on end.  So it was a 
big deal for me to go out and just look at what he had.  I saw that he'd 
not gotten out and thinnned so I yanked little stunted apples out of 2 trees 
that weren't ripe yet, Fuji and Grany Smith.  The Granny Smiths were just 
disgusting with scab, so I pulled the worst of them as well as the little 
ones.  He says that the climate is all wrong west of the Cascades for fruit 
and that scab is the big problem.  He said it was the ideal year to look at 
old trees to evaluate for scab.  Some had it bad, most did not.  One 
place we went to had the biggest butternut tree known, planted around 
1850.  The guy, George W. Bush, was one of the original 9 families to 
settle the area and he must have brought a pound of apple seeds with 
him.  Dave said he planted about 160 acres in apple trees, had the apple 
business wrapped up there for generations.  The story is that the very best 
of the big orchard were grafted in the backyard of the house, 
and he collected budwood from all 6 trees.  One had already 
finished, one was yellow and unbelievably sour, one was pretty good, and the 
others weren't quite ripe.  The original orchard is now a small 
airport.  Anyway, what I was coming around to is that I have a friend 
with a Granny Smith tree in his no-spray home orchard, and he says they have to 
pick the apples early because they get these black spots that rot if they don't 
go ahead and pick and process them.  Sounds like scab to me now that I know 
GS is prone to it.  Also now I can say I know for sure what scab looks 
like on apples, because there just aren't all that many apples in our 
area.  Pears are a whole lot more successful.  Over in the 
Tennessee Valley I knew where all the yards were with producing apple trees, but 
here there are just hardly any successful old trees.  And maybe because the 
trees don't do well they get cut down and never reach the age where they are 
going to be really productive.  I say that because I just remembered 
that there is a neighborhood where a small orchard was planted by a TN Tech 
professor in the 40's, and those trees did make crops most years.  
      I have tried several times to 
graft a Grimes Golden.  I know of an old orchard north of Cookeville where 
I picked a wonderful apple that must be Grimes, been there twice and got scions, 
but no takes.  I'll have to look into Goldrush.  And I'm disappointed 
to hear someone didn't like Enterprise, which sounded good to me.  But he 
was in the PNW, and maybe it likes heat?    Donna 
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            [NAFEX] PRI apples,
            Richard MURPHY, 10/24/2010
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            Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
            Deb S, 10/24/2010
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            Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
            Kieran and/or Donna, 10/26/2010
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            Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
            david liezen, 10/26/2010
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        Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
        Kieran and/or Donna, 10/26/2010
- Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples, david liezen, 10/26/2010
 
 
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        Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
        Kieran and/or Donna, 10/26/2010
 
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            Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
            david liezen, 10/26/2010
 
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            Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
            Kieran and/or Donna, 10/26/2010
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            Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
            Applesrgoodforu, 10/26/2010
- Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples, Richard J. Ossolinski, 10/27/2010
 
- Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples, Anton Callaway, 10/28/2010
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            Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
            Anton Callaway, 10/28/2010
- Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples, Kieran &/or Donna, 10/30/2010
 
 
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            Re: [NAFEX] PRI apples,
            Deb S, 10/24/2010
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