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[Kevin Moore <aleguy33@yahoo.com>]

As a nearly serious home brewer I have to object to these concoctions being called beer. I think they best belong in the category of country wines, or perhaps something else. Certainly I wouldn't call them beer unless they are made with grain.
Frankly they sound horrible. I think I'll stick to brewing my American and Belgian ales, with the occasional elderberry wine or some mead.

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From: Naomi Counides <naomi@oznayim.us>
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] pawpaw beer?

I have made ginger lemon beer several times plastic two liter bottle works
well.  Root beer.. Actually the 24 hour beers (below) do open up some
interesting possibilities.  A tomato beer might be good.
Naomi

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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jay Cutts
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:11 AM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] pawpaw beer?

I've had some experience with various kinds of fermentation, to the
extent that those who know me are always suspicious when I offer them a
new food or beverage.  "Is that /fermented/?" they ask with wrinkled noses.

I use a 6 hour approach.  It's very simple.  Blend the stuff (fruit,
etc.  Anything with sugars or starch.) with water.  Add live yeast.  Let
it sit at room temperature if it's warm outside or with a small heat
source, eg., in the oven with the light on or in a box with a 15 watt
light bulb, covering the box to hold in warmth.  Usually 6ish hours is
enough for it to be ready.  If you let it go long, it will have no
sweetness and more fizz.  If you stop it short, it will be sweeter and
less carbonated.  In either case there is hardly any alcohol in it, but
there is enough trace alcohol to be slightly noticeable.

I usually put it in the fridge before opening it.  Otherwise it may foam
over too much when it's first opened.  Did I mention it should be in a
glass jar with a tight lid?

After refrigerating, it will continue to ferment in the fridge and seems
to keep at least some level of carbonation.

I have used this method to make a simple ginger beer.  Just blend fresh
ginger in water, strain and add honey or other sweetener.

I also make a fermented yam "sauce" that I use instead of yogurt.  It's
fermented with yogurt culture instead of yeast. It's great!  I call it
Yambo.  This is not a beverage but it IS a fermented food.  You can do
the same with blended up oatmeal or other cereal.

I also like to make Ethiopian bread (enjira) out of teff flour that has
been fermented.  To ferment the flour I mix it uncooked with water and
use a combination of yeast and yogurt culture.

Banana beer is apparently widespread in traditional African cultures.
You can probably find some recipes for that.  I looked it up once. 
Looked to me like you just sort of smash up and try to strain some
bananas, stick the liquid into anything that will hold it and let the
natural yeast, flies and dust do their thing.  I did try it once
because... well, because it was there.

Best,

Jay

Jay Cutts
Cutts Graduate Reviews
800-353-4898 day or eve, 7 days
(In NM, 505-281-0684)




R. Keith Etheridge wrote:
> As mentioned in the cider revival link , people have and do make
> alcoholic beverages with what's available. To simplify it, wine is
> made from the fermentation of fruit and
> beer is from the fermentation of grain. This is  not absolute, as
> there is persimmon beer and I think sake is made from rice.As I now
> have an abundance of pawpaws,
> I searched the internet for a pawpaw beer recipe. I could find none.
> In the NAFEX persimmon book there are three persimmon beer recipes
> from early America. On the
> internet there several primitive beer recipes. Ten days ago I
> developed a recipe substituting pawpaws for persimmons using an
> Afro-American slave recipe with modifications. Six large pawpaws
> mashed with a cup of cornmeal baked to a loaf,cooled, put in a gallon
> container with eight honey locust  pods , broken in small pieces,
> , a slice of toast and a packet of baking yeast and covered
> loosely.Water was added to make a gallon. Its kept on a plant
> propagation mat at 78 decrees.It seems to be
> fermenting ok and most of the solids have sunk to the bottom.
> According to the recipes it will be evaluated in 20 days.Beer or slop?
> As I took biochemistry in "48 as
> freshman in vet school at the University of Illinois.Suggestions welcomed.
> Keith central Illinois
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