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- From: Kevin Moore <aleguy33@yahoo.com>
- To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [NAFEX] A historical question
- Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
I'm no expert, and you have clearly done more research than I have, but my understanding of domestic apples in ??America, is that a great many were in fact started from seed. Apple uses were far more varied in the colonial period and so far more of the trees started from seed were useful for cider blends if nothing else. Land was plentiful and extremely cheap by modern standards, so there was no worry about grubbing out trees for which the fruit proved to have no use. Even apples that were useless for any human consumption may well have still been valued as livestock feed.
From: "david.maxwell@dal.ca" <david.maxwell@dal.ca>
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:12:42 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] A historical question
Does anybody have any solid evidence regarding the introduction of apples to North
America? Malus malus is not native to America, and was introduced from Europe by the
early settlers. Now here is the question: did they simply plant seeds, and grow seedling
apples, or did they bring the old world varieties with them? Beech says, "Some few brought
trees or scions of choice varieties, but more followed the less expensive plan of bringing
seeds of selected fruits to plant about their new homes." This, of course, ignores the fact
that planting seeds of "selected fruits", (at least, selected apples) would not have yielded
them trees of their "choice varieties". He goes on to mention that Governor Endicott's apple
tree was "stated to be a seedling", but "possibly the earliest recorded grafted tree brought
from Europe was the Summer Bonchretien of Gov. Stuyvesant brought in 1647 in New
Amsterdam., (which stood at the intersection of Third Ave. and 13'th St. in New York until it
was broken down by a dray in 1866).
Nicolas Denys, who accompanied Simon de Razilly in 1632, establishing the first capital of
New France at the mouth of the LaHave River in modern-day Nova Scotia, recorded in 1635
details of the priest's garden: "He also had some apple and pear trees which were well
started and very fine, but not yet in condition to bear, since they were brought small from
France." Certainly my interpretation of this is that he was importing grafted trees, almost
certainly of named varieties. (Nobody is going to bother importing seedlings, unless they
wanted to get a head start on growing their own in the new world, knowing that there weren't
any waiting for them in America.) Certainly varietal apples were well known in Europe, and
my understanding is that the appples grown there were generally grafted varietals rather than
wild seedlings. It makes sense to me that the settlers would have brought with them the
same methods of apple culture they used in Europe, rather than reverting to wholesale
sowing of random crosses of wild apples.
Any evidence?
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[NAFEX] Why have weeds???,
Jim Fruth, 04/19/2009
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Re: [NAFEX] Why have weeds???,
Kevin Moore, 04/19/2009
- Re: [NAFEX] Why have weeds???, Lon J. Rombough, 04/19/2009
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[NAFEX] A historical question,
david . maxwell, 04/19/2009
- Re: [NAFEX] A historical question, Lon J. Rombough, 04/19/2009
- Re: [NAFEX] A historical question, Kevin Moore, 04/20/2009
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Re: [NAFEX] Why have weeds???,
Kevin Moore, 04/19/2009
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