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[Justin West <chuckjwest@hotmail.com>]

Jason, check out work by Wim Sombroek, Bruno Glaser, or Johannes Lehmann as a start perhaps. 

Also: The source of Terra Preta is far from known, so I would be hesitant to say that the source is biochar.  One archeologist, Gaspar Morcote, who has been studying it for over ten years in Colombia believes that terra preta plots in different locations have different characteristics and are likely derived from different methods, all of which may inlcude some component of charcoal, but also likely include an unburned organic waste component. 

And, TP was created over hundreds if not thousands of years.  So the idea that we can create TP, presto, is perhaps a bit overstated.  HOWEVER, this is not to discourage people from experimenting with adding charcoal to soil, good results may follow...

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> 1. Fluffy's flosophy (Alan Haigh)
> 2. Re: Fw: mychorizal fungal rip off? (Road's End Farm)
> 3. Re: Weather (Off topic) (Ernest Plutko)
> 4. Re: Weather (Steve)
> 5. Subject: The most probable reality OT (Toni Pralle)
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> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:28:55 -0400
> From: Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Fluffy's flosophy
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> That was beautiful fluffy, but I have another flosophy entirely, well a
> theory or just a religious story and here it is.
>
> An untold number of planets throughout the universe occasionally sprout a
> clever enough organism to kind of step out of nature's treadmill and develop
> sophisticated self-serving technology. And once in a billion years or so
> one of these organisms manages to avoid committing suicide through their own
> cleverness. They actually transform themselves from the biological into
> kind of immortal machine beings that can observe the entire universe in all
> its vastness. Around this time they realize that there are other life forms
> in other parts of the universe who've managed to do the same thing. Having
> accomplished all their is for a life form to accomplish, they spend infinity
> with these other champions of destiny, observing fledgling species of
> intelligence tottering along the edge of extinction and make bets about
> which ones will also pull off their miracle...
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> From: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Fw: mychorizal fungal rip off?
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> On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:34 AM, William C. Garthright wrote:
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> >
> >> All of this doesn't mean that we can't find anything out. But it does
> >> mean that it's going to take considerable time to actually get good
> >> evidence from which we really understand the results.
> >
> >
> > You are absolutely right. I agree 100%. But what's the alternative?
> > Despite the flaws, there is NO other reliable way to discover the
> > truth.
> > We've got to muddle along somehow, so I suggest we accept current
> > research on a tentative basis, always provisional, subject to change if
> > new information becomes available - which is basically the scientific
> > method.
>
> I'm in full agreement there.
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> --Rivka
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> From: "Ernest Plutko" <ernestplutko@wiktel.com>
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> Carbon can exist as a solid (calcium carbonate, organic material) or
> a gas (carbon dioxide, methane) or a liquid (organics) The question
> is how much carbon exists in what state at our time to live.
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: matthewoller@yahoo.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Weather (Off topic)
> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT)
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> >
> >location,location,location....just fix it!matt,peace
> >--- On Sun, 3/29/09, william Eggers <wce1482@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >From: william Eggers <wce1482@yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Weather (Off topic)
> >To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 9:52 AM
> >
> >I've always wondered about this CO2 business.? Since the earth is a
> >closed system, it looks like to me that we still have the same amount
> >of carbon that we have always had.? If so, how did we get so much
> >more that we are worring about it?
> >
> >--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Kieran &/or Donna <holycow@frontiernet.net>
> >wrote:
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> >
> >From: Kieran &/or Donna <holycow@frontiernet.net>
> >Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Weather (Off topic)
> >To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:06 PM
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Well, I had some interesting thoughts the other day.? We had cut down
> >a 50 year old pine and I was thinking about how they'd used these
> >impossible-to-split virginia pines for making log cabins.? Next day I
> >was walking in the neighboring field and thinking about how it was
> >all once virgin timber and that all the wimpy woodlands surrounding
> >it were huge old trees before the white man came.? Then I wondered,
> >"Where are those trees now?"? All the timber that was cut down not
> >just the first time, but all the times since, where did they go??
> >Where are the houses, the barns, the fences that were built with
> >them?? Most have rotted away or burnt down, and they are now existing
> >as CO2 and water and some minerals in the soil or most likely in the
> >ocean.? What does THAT do to global temps?? I am only too aware of
> >what it does when you chop down all the trees and have exposed soil
> >or pavement or
> > house roofs.? But the difference between the amount of carbon that
> >was in trees, not to mention what was in the?rich organic matter
> >content of the soil... all that must be in the atmosphere now.? Donna
> >?
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> From: Steve <sdw12986@aol.com>
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> Kevin Moore wrote:
> > Sorry guys, but you seem to be confused about what global warming is and
> > how it affects the weather. .............
>
> No, that's not true. I have a pretty good idea of what global warming is
> and how it is affecting the climate in various locations.
> What you are missing (and what bill from Lincoln, NE finally mentions
> several posts downstream) is the fact that global warming comments are a
> common joke in cold climates. When we have a day or a week that is far
> below the average temperatures for the time of year, the common joke is
> "boy, I wish global warming would kick in" or "so much for global
> warming". It's a joke, not an indicator of what any one of us knows.
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> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:36:35 -0500
> From: Toni Pralle <toni.pralle@gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Subject: The most probable reality OT
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> I got really far behind reading mail and posting so I thought I'd jump in
> here with my 2 cents just so you know I'm still alive.
>
> <Got to go now do some grafting, I have 25 pear trees to create, and in
> closing I do it because it brings me pleasure and that is enough. These
> trees will die, they may outlive me, but in the end no one will know they,
> nor I, nor this planet ever existed. Once again my message is simple, get
> over yourself because the Cosmos certainly will.
> I remain, The fluffy bunny>
>
> A thought very near to this one crosses my mind at least once every day.
> Then I wonder why I am trying to hard when in the end it won't matter one
> whit. I guess the answer is that by doing what I find no pleasure in doing
> pays for the time I spend doing what pleases me. I play in the dirt. I play
> with my animals. I work on my house and barns. I sew quilts. I play on the
> computer. I take any class that appeals to me. I take a vacation day and do
> whatever I want. I've been known to take vacation so I can clean my house,
> but it gives me pleasure to see the house all cleaned at once. I'm happy.
> Life is good. And when I die.......who cares? Really. No one. The world will
> still spin.
>
> All I have to do is live 184 weeks until I can retire:
>
>
> >From and including: *Sunday, March 29, 2009*
> To and including: *Sunday, October 7, 2012*
>
> It is 1289 days from the start date to the end date, end date included
>
> Or 3 years, 6 months, 9 days including the end date
> Alternative time units1289 days can be converted to one of these units:
>
> - 111,369,600 seconds
> - 1,856,160 minutes
> - 30,936 hours
> - 184 weeks (rounded down)
>
>
>
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> From: Sunshine Lemme <sunshine.lemme@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Terra Preta
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> The source of terra preta is biochar, basically charcoal made from
> biological sources. A good site is http://www.biochar.org/joomla/ for how
> it works. There are also a lot of sources of how to make charcoal from
> biomass, even grass and other light, small plants, online. Just heat in a
> retort, presto, biochar.
>
> On 3/29/09, Jason MacArthur <rotread@localnet.com> wrote:
> >
> > Justin West wrote:
> >
> > > One of the things I was looking at was biochar and the famed 'Terra
> > > Preta' or Amazonian Dark Earths 'ADE's. This is really fascinating
> > > research going on down there, and I encourage you all to look more
> > > into this as far as potential soil improvement in temperate climes.
> >
> > Justin- can you point us in the direction of some good research? I
> > have tried Internet searches, but as so often is the case with the
> > Internet have spent hours looking down the wrong rabbit hole for
> > information.
> > Jason MacArthur
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