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Hello Mark,

Sure glad I don't live in Kansas. Sounds like kids just out of college with no common sense writing regulations. Those are local laws. 

I've had burn permits here, faxed application to air pollution control, they fax back permit, call fire dept. to inform them when I burn. Only starting restriction was can't use oil if it burns black and can't use tires. Also can't burn trees over 8 inches in dia. as they take too long to burn. Also can't burn on certain days, air quality monitoring days. 

Recreational fires require no permit. So, burn the brush pile and have hot dogs on standby. :-) 

Jerry  

In a message dated 11/13/2008 11:04:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, hangermayer@isp.com writes:

> Boy Jerry, don't get me started on Kansas law.  OK, one example.
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> We used to burn our tree trimmings.  Allow me to explain this process.  The county we live in requires a burn permit, even to light a camp fire.  Not that you could actually light a camp fire, because the burn permit forbids any fires after dusk, but I digress.  You have to go to the fire station to fill out a burn permit.  The form clearly states that you will not use any accelerant such as oil, gasoline, etc. even to start the fire.  They will allow you to use paper, if you have a spark arrestor (whatever that is).  I don't know how they expect you to start fires, flint and steel?  Anyway, I had to use denatured alcohol (not on the forbidden list) at $10 per gallon to get the brush fires going.  Really efficient.  Of course most people just ignore the law and don't even get a burn permit.  It's the law abiding that are punished.  I'm just waiting for them to outlaw compost piles, as being unsightly.  Then I'll have to start sending all the tree trimmings to the dump.  That will really help the environment.
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> One more example.  Our county forbids any fireworks on Independence day.  I could understand maybe banning bottle rockets, but no that's not strict enough.  Not even crackers are allowed.  So how's it working?  Our neighborhood sounds like a war zone on the 4th.  People just ignore the law.  Some people start lighting stuff a week before.  Again it's the few people who observe the law that lose privileges.  Makes me think of the oxymoron, Makes me think of the oxymoron, "Hi, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
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