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  • From: "Anthony Curcio" <apc@vassolinc.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 60, Issue 34 ( Airlayering Question / Anthony Z4)
  • Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:50:39 -0600

Airlayering Question.
We have found a great native Mulberry tree that my son and
I use to make jelly. We are concerned that something may
happen to this tree and we would like to preserve this line.
I thought Airlayering may be a good way to start new shoots.
Any input as to best method and time ?
We are in Nth. W. IL. Z4
Thank you, Anthony

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Today's Topics:

1. Persistent leaves (Steve)
2. Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU (mIEKAL aND)
3. Re: Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU (Dr.O'Barr)
4. Scale on Citrus (Doreen Howard)
5. Re: Persistent leaves (tanis cuff)
6. Re: Scale on Citrus (Bob Sorenson)
7. Re: Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU (Jwlehman@aol.com)
8. Re: Scale on Citrus (Ginda Fisher)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:50:38 -0500
From: Steve <sdw12986@aol.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] Persistent leaves
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I've decided to copy this into a new subject rather than reply to the
old subject as I had planned.....

tanis cuff wrote:
Due to the late summer heavy rains here (s.WI), some roses & pears & apples had late growth and then leaves which refused to drop for the winter. One of the worst is my M7 apple rootstocks, in a nursery which I planted for topworking in spring 08. They are still leafy, even tho the leaves ARE all brown. I'd always assumed that persistant leaves were a sign that wood didn't harden off properly for winter. So, do I spend the time to collect scionwood for use on these M7s? Can I hope to find enough healthy wood on these rootstocks next spring, or would scion collection and then the grafting be a big waste of time?
I missed your message when you first wrote it but I'll reply anyway.
I used to worry when my trees did that. My apples especially, would
often not harden off at the tip of the new growth and the leaves would
remain into winter. I used to assume those tips would be killed over the
winter but, in the spring, new leaves would emerge, even from the
terminal bud. They would grow even after several winter days colder than
30 below zero. Of course, I grow cultivars appropriate for the climate
and they are on seedling root stock, not M7.

Something new happened to my trees this fall/winter. We had near normal
fall temperatures but avoided an actual frost until the end of October
(A new record for my yard!) From there, the temperatures continued
slowly down and I thought we eased into winter rather gently. I was
thinking the trees had plenty of time to fully harden off before the
below zero temperatures came.
Well, in December, I realized that the trees did not loose most of their
leaves. Probably the worst were my Nova pear (grafted onto a Mountain
Ash) and my Honeygold apple grafted on who knows what. Those 2 trees
still had nearly 100% of their leaves on the tree. Those leaves had
turned a dark brown to black but they were still hanging on. Since then
we've had some heavy wind. Gusts over 50 MPH several time one day last
week. That blew off a good number of those leaves but many still hang on.
At this point, I'm not real worried and expect the trees to be OK in the
spring. I sure wonder what made all of those leaves hold on though.

Steve in the Adirondacks (Zone 4 on the map, zone 3 in real life)




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:32:05 -0600
From: mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <B87E0B76-399E-43CF-8B91-4E94637BFF5B@mwt.net>
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I just received a good number of Swenson grape cuttings & I'm
wondering if I need to keep these in a refrigerator or can they go on
my porch (which is currently below 0 F)?

thanks

~mIEKAL


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:30:42 -0600
From: "Dr.O'Barr" <Topgun@Otelco.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I LIKE THE REFRIGERATOR BEST.

TOPGUN
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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:32 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU


I just received a good number of Swenson grape cuttings & I'm
wondering if I need to keep these in a refrigerator or can they go on
my porch (which is currently below 0 F)?

thanks

~mIEKAL
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:48:12 -0600
From: "Doreen Howard" <gardendiva@charter.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
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I have a couple of kumquats planted in pots that I bring indoors for winter and place under lights. They usually flower and produce fruit. This year, the plants have been inundated with scale. I've sprayed with clove-rosemary oil several times. The oil knocks the infestation back, but it reappears soon. Since these plants are indoors, and I'm basically an organic gardener, can anyone suggestion another non-toxic battle plan? I've already lost one plant to scale, and now several houseplants have scale, too.
Doreen Howard
WI-IL Border, Zone 4b, where it's snowing AGAIN
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:51:10 +0000
From: tanis cuff <tanistanis@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Persistent leaves
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I got an off-list reply from someone in s.WI (practically a neighbor) who sees the same thing w/ M7. And Dennis N's post, from just south of here. Yes I've noticed TIPS of branches often holding onto leaves, and surviving just fine, but I'd never seen leaves hang onto most of the branch length. And besides the extreme August rain, we also had unusual autumn weather. But due to the guidance of NAFEXlisters, I'll put worries aside and will be grafting more apples this spring. (Spring?! Ha! Five degrees & snowing today!) Thanks, all.

Interesting about the Nova pear. I've also seen it be stubborn about finishing the season. Yet it's one of the hardier pears.


Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:50:38 -0500
From: sdw12986
To: nafex
Subject: [NAFEX] Persistent leaves


tanis cuff wrote:
Due to the late summer heavy rains here (s.WI), some roses & pears & apples had late growth....

Steve wrote:
I missed your message when you first wrote it but I'll reply anyway.
I used to worry when my trees did that. My apples especially, would
often not harden off at the tip of the new growth and the leaves would
remain into winter. I used to assume those tips would be killed over the
winter but, in the spring, new leaves would emerge, even from the
terminal bud. They would grow even after several winter days colder than
30 below zero. Of course, I grow cultivars appropriate for the climate
and they are on seedling root stock, not M7.

Something new happened to my trees this fall/winter. We had near normal
fall temperatures but avoided an actual frost until the end of October
(A new record for my yard!) From there, the temperatures continued
slowly down and I thought we eased into winter rather gently. I was
thinking the trees had plenty of time to fully harden off before the
below zero temperatures came.
Well, in December, I realized that the trees did not loose most of their
leaves. Probably the worst were my Nova pear (grafted onto a Mountain
Ash) and my Honeygold apple grafted on who knows what. Those 2 trees
still had nearly 100% of their leaves on the tree. Those leaves had
turned a dark brown to black but they were still hanging on. Since then
we've had some heavy wind. Gusts over 50 MPH several time one day last
week. That blew off a good number of those leaves but many still hang on.
At this point, I'm not real worried and expect the trees to be OK in the
spring. I sure wonder what made all of those leaves hold on though.

Steve in the Adirondacks (Zone 4 on the map, zone 3 in real life)




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:51:50 -0700 (MST)
From: Bob Sorenson <bobso@wacad.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <12844268.63261200937910086.JavaMail.SYSTEM@was-app01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

"

Doreen, I have an Algerian tangerine and a Myers lemon and the only way I have found to get rid of the scale is to take some time each day and go over every leaf and stem and remove them by hand.
If it seems tedious then try listening to some Chopin...

bob sorenson
Z5, Utah

----- Original Message -----
From: Doreen Howard <gardendiva@charter.net>
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc:
Date: Monday, January 21 2008 09:45 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
I have a couple of kumquats planted in pots that I
bring indoors for winter and place under lights. They usually flower and
produce fruit. This year, the plants have been inundated with scale.
I've sprayed with clove-rosemary oil several times. The oil knocks the
infestation back, but it reappears soon. Since these plants are indoors,
and I'm basically an organic gardener, can anyone suggestion another non-toxic
battle plan? I've already lost one plant to scale, and now several
houseplants have scale, too.
Doreen Howard
WI-IL Border, Zone 4b, where it's snowing
AGAIN

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:17:40 EST
From: Jwlehman@aol.com
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU
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In a message dated 1/21/2008 8:29:03 AM Central Standard Time, dtv@mwt.net
writes:

I just received a good number of Swenson grape cuttings &I'm
wondering if I need to keep these in a refrigerator or can they go on
my porch (which is currently below 0 F)?

Lon Rombough needs answer this question as he is the expert. However, below
zero can damage buds and I would place in the refrig. Also if it gets too warm
the buds can break dormancy reducing the graft success rate.

Jerry


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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:33:36 -0500
From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
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I had scale on a myers lemon, and I meticulously removed the scales for
months before I sprayed it with dormant oil (right after removing every bug
I could see.) I haven't seen any scale on that plant since, and it's been
a couple of years.
___
Ginda

...... Original Message .......
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:51:50 -0700 (MST) Bob Sorenson <bobso@wacad.org>
wrote:
Doreen, I have an Algerian tangerine and a Myers lemon and the only way I
have found to get rid of the scale is to take some time each day and go
over every leaf and stem and remove them by hand.
If it seems tedious then try listening to some Chopin...

bob sorenson
Z5, Utah


----- Original Message -----
From: Doreen Howard <gardendiva@charter.net>
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc:
Date: Monday, January 21 2008 09:45 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
I have a couple of kumquats planted in pots that I bring indoors for
winter and place under lights. They usually flower and produce fruit. This
year, the plants have been inundated with scale. I've sprayed with
clove-rosemary oil several times. The oil knocks the infestation back, but
it reappears soon. Since these plants are indoors, and I'm basically an
organic gardener, can anyone suggestion another non-toxic battle plan? I've
already lost one plant to scale, and now several houseplants have scale,
too.
Doreen Howard
WI-IL Border, Zone 4b, where it's snowing AGAIN
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