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  • From: "Alan ." <yarrylo@hotmail.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] hybrid persimmons
  • Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:32:54 +0000

Jerry,

Another persimmon variety that has been proposed as a possible virginiana/ kaki hybrid is Geneva Long, arising from the hybridizing efforts of Professor Slate at Geneva, NY. While the cold-hardiness and size of this persimmon is typical for an American , the oblong shape of the fruit is somewhat unusual. The foliage is characteristic for this cultivar, and the shape and gloss of the leaves somewhat reminiscent of Asians. The seeds are also thin and oblong and resemble kaki seeds. Unlike any of the other wild or named cultivars of virginiana that I’ve tried, it, to my taste, lacks any variation of the characteristic American persimmon flavor, and while sweet, is comparatively bland like a kaki. Also, green fruit ripens well off the tree – another quality I believe is seen more often with kaki than virginiana.. So, whoever is doing the DNA analysis of Keener may be interested in examining this variety as well.

Alan Stein
Pittsburgh, PA
Zone 6



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In a message dated 12/8/2007 5:07:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Lucky.PIttman@murraystate.edu writes:

>
> My Rosseyanka is seedless, so far anyway.
>
> Mine is - mostly; an occasional fruit will have a single seed.
> Seems like I remember Jerry Lehman in his report on it, back in '98 or so,
> indicating that he got 12 seeds out of 85 fruits.

Yes, Rosseyanka (Russian Beauty TM) is mostly seedless and Lucky reported
correctly. Of those seeds maybe 50% are viable. I have several seedlings which
aren't apomictics, expressing themselves as male and females. Thus far only one
has fruited for me and was very disappointing. Inferior to the seed parent and
randon 90C named cultivars. Have no idea of the pollen parent.

Yes, Nikita's Gift (TM) is a back cross of Rosseyanka to kaki and was bred
at Yalta by Dr. Kazas. It is a wonderful persimmon but too temperature
sensitive for 5b. I suspect the danger point is zero degrees, but definitely more
hardy than any kaki and I've tried many kaki seedlings here as well as grafted
several onto 90C virginiana. It ripens late but is very sweet, large and many
turn as red as a tomato. It should be a wonderful selection for zone 6 and
higher. Mine bore a heavy crop this year and sad to say I wasn't paying close
attention, waiting for Nov to pick them and the birds beat me to them. :-(

Regarding Keener, the foliage looks like virginiana and I poo pooed the idea
it was a hybrid. This year mine fruited and I now believe it could be a
hybrid. Very large, mild flavor and the seed is shaped more like kaki then
virginiana. I hope to have the DNA run next year.

Jerry



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