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  • From: "Anthony Curcio" <apc@vassolinc.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 55, Issue 71 ( Doyle Balckberry Pruning, Anthony Curcio )
  • Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:29:45 -0500
Our Doyle BB's are growing fast.
They are also surviving the winters in NW,IL. Z4
The two plants we started with 3 years ago are now
a solid wall on the trellis yet few berry clusters.
We have mulched but not fertilized.
We asked the company about pruning but they
did not think it was necessary. Has anyone had
experience with pruning ? How much and what
time of year is best ?
Thanks Anthony, Nth. West Illinois Z 4

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1. Doyle Blackberry report (Jim Fruth)
2. Re: Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US (road's end farm)
3. Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US (Jim Fruth)
4. Re: Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US (Jwlehman@aol.com)
5. Re: Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US (S & E Hills)
6. Doyle Blackberry report (Pete Tallman)
7. Re: Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US (Michael Nave)
8. Re: Yuzu? (h black)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:58:35 -0500
From: "Jim Fruth" <jfruth@tds.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Doyle Blackberry report
To: "NAFEX" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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My Doyle (thornless) Blackberries are producing their first crop. The
berries are almost twice as large as Fort Kent's and I'm wondering if all
will ripen before my first frost which usually happens in Mid-September.
Now I'm wondering if they will produce after a normal Winter for this area;
this past winter the temperature got to -28; -38 is not uncommon for my
part of the Country.
The Doyle people said the plants do not produce suckers but mine are
suckering like any other.

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472
For jams, jellies & syrups:
www.bberryfarm.com
(877)265-6856 [Store]
(218)831-7018 [My Cell]



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:35:30 -0400
From: road's end farm <organic101@linkny.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:50 PM, Steve wrote:


They seem ready and willing to ship to US addresses:
http://solanaseeds.netfirms.com/instructions.html
I don't believe there are many regulations about shipping seeds.

I think some countries outside the US ship to US addresses and others
don't. The company may have obtained whatever approval is necessary;
you could check with them.

About shipping seeds to outside the US, I'm sure there is no problem
sending them out. It would be up to the other country whether they have
rules about letting them in.

I would mark the outside of the package clearly with the contents
("live plant material: seeds" and the species). There certainly are
seed borne diseases. Also, a plant common and no problem in some areas
can be a hazardous invasive in other areas.

It occurs to me that you could also check with the post office. They
should know, or know where you can find out, about shipping seeds.

--Rivka
Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:27:21 -0500
From: "Jim Fruth" <jfruth@tds.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
To: "NAFEX" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I receive seeds from Canada with no problem. Today I'll be sending an
order to Czechoslovakia for some Actinidia kolomitka seeds that produce 2"
fruits from NAFEX member Jan Kola.

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472
For jams, jellies & syrups:
www.bberryfarm.com
(877)265-6856 [Store]
(218)831-7018 [My Cell]

hangermayer@isp.com wrote:

Hi folks,

I had a question I wonder if someone could help me with. I have been
considering ordering some seeds from a company in Canada:
http://solanaseeds.netfirms.com/welcome.html

My question is, is it legal for United States citizens to receive seeds
from
outside the U.S., through the mail? I remember somebody posting an article
sometime back about a man who brought in some citrus scionwood from the
Orient in a suitcase and it was illegal (It turned out the wood had some
terrible disease and the guy was in big trouble). Do seeds have to go
through customs? Is there some agency that has to check them for diseases?
I know they are generally safer than scionwood, but still as I understand,
some diseases like plum pox can be communicated through seeds.

Also can I legally send some of my seeds outside the U.S. via the postal
service?

Thanks,
Mark
Kansas



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:11:23 EDT
From: Jwlehman@aol.com
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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In a message dated 8/30/2007 11:10:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hangermayer@isp.com writes:


My question is, is it legal for United States citizens to receive seeds from
outside the U.S., through the mail? I remember somebody posting an article
sometime back about a man who brought in some citrus scionwood from the
Orient in a suitcase and it was illegal (It turned out the wood had some
terrible disease and the guy was in big trouble). Do seeds have to go
through customs? Is there some agency that has to check them for diseases?
I know they are generally safer than scionwood, but still as I understand,
some diseases like plum pox can be communicated through seeds.

Also can I legally send some of my seeds outside the U.S. via the postal
service?

Hi Mark,

Yes, all incoming seeds must be inspected by the US Animal Plant Health
Inspection Service (APHIS). There are some few exceptions. First you must obtain an
import permit from APHIS. Then the seeds go directly to APHIS with their
Green and Yellow shipping label. If the material passes if is forwarded to you for
two years of quarantine growing, meaning you can't share the material with
others for two years. You state inspector as the option to inspect the plants if
they desire. Some material such as Prunus bud wood must be grown in
quarantine by the USDA in screened rooms at Beltsville, MD. I've had material there for
as long as 4 years before it was passed out clean. Infected material is
incinerated.

One exception is pre inspected material that is packaged for importation into
the US. Usually by large seed companies. Private individuals overseas and
Canada usually aren't pre inspected.

Can you legally send material overseas?
Generally no, as I understand it. That all depends on agreements between the
countries. If you ship a package out of the country the post office and other
shippers will have you fill out a declarations form. If certain material and
to particular countries, the carriers refuse to accept it. FedEx, UPS and USPS
sticks strictly to the rules. But a foreign country can't prosecute you for
trying, I don't think.

There are some exceptions to what I've written, If you really want to import
seeds contact me off line and I'll put you in contact with the proper APHIS
person to apply for an import permit. You also will need a letter from your
local state entomologist approving the importation and they counter sign your
application. APHIS will work with you, they are wonderful understanding folks but
you have to jump through hoops. They are paid with tax $$$ and are our
servants.

Jerry


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:39:50 -0500
From: "S & E Hills" <ehills7408@wowway.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Does she have contact information? (Jan Kola)



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:27 AM
To: NAFEX
Subject: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US

I receive seeds from Canada with no problem. Today I'll be sending an
order to Czechoslovakia for some Actinidia kolomitka seeds that produce 2"
fruits from NAFEX member Jan Kola.

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472
For jams, jellies & syrups:
www.bberryfarm.com
(877)265-6856 [Store]
(218)831-7018 [My Cell]

hangermayer@isp.com wrote:

Hi folks,

I had a question I wonder if someone could help me with. I have been
considering ordering some seeds from a company in Canada:
http://solanaseeds.netfirms.com/welcome.html

My question is, is it legal for United States citizens to receive seeds
from
outside the U.S., through the mail? I remember somebody posting an article
sometime back about a man who brought in some citrus scionwood from the
Orient in a suitcase and it was illegal (It turned out the wood had some
terrible disease and the guy was in big trouble). Do seeds have to go
through customs? Is there some agency that has to check them for diseases?
I know they are generally safer than scionwood, but still as I understand,
some diseases like plum pox can be communicated through seeds.

Also can I legally send some of my seeds outside the U.S. via the postal
service?

Thanks,
Mark
Kansas

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:11:44 -0600
From: "Pete Tallman" <pete_tallman@hotmail.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] Doyle Blackberry report
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Jim Fruth asked whether Doyle blackberry would produce after a normal
winter.

If you read the fine print about Doyle, you'll find they are claimed to be
hardy in zone 5 and below only if vines are covered for the winter. To me,
that's not hardy, just excessive work. I never got a crop without covering.
(Maybe one could get away with it if there is sufficient snow cover all
winter.) And yes, they do sucker for me. I'm not quite rid of all of the
plants and their suckers, but I'm still working on it. On the good side,
they are, indeed, thornless.

Pete Tallman
Longmont, CO zone 5

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Nave <jmichaelnave@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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APHIS now has a small seed lot import program. Here
are the details:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/plants/plant_imports/smalllots_seed.shtml

--- Jwlehman@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/30/2007 11:10:38 PM Eastern
Daylight Time,
hangermayer@isp.com writes:

>
> My question is, is it legal for United States
citizens to receive seeds from
> outside the U.S., through the mail? I remember
somebody posting an article
> sometime back about a man who brought in some
citrus scionwood from the
> Orient in a suitcase and it was illegal (It turned
out the wood had some
> terrible disease and the guy was in big trouble).
Do seeds have to go
> through customs? Is there some agency that has to
check them for diseases?
> I know they are generally safer than scionwood,
but still as I understand,
> some diseases like plum pox can be communicated
through seeds.
>
> Also can I legally send some of my seeds outside
the U.S. via the postal
> service?

Hi Mark,

Yes, all incoming seeds must be inspected by the US
Animal Plant Health
Inspection Service (APHIS). There are some few
exceptions. First you must obtain an
import permit from APHIS. Then the seeds go directly
to APHIS with their
Green and Yellow shipping label. If the material
passes if is forwarded to you for
two years of quarantine growing, meaning you can't
share the material with
others for two years. You state inspector as the
option to inspect the plants if
they desire. Some material such as Prunus bud wood
must be grown in
quarantine by the USDA in screened rooms at
Beltsville, MD. I've had material there for
as long as 4 years before it was passed out clean.
Infected material is
incinerated.

One exception is pre inspected material that is
packaged for importation into
the US. Usually by large seed companies. Private
individuals overseas and
Canada usually aren't pre inspected.

Can you legally send material overseas?
Generally no, as I understand it. That all depends
on agreements between the
countries. If you ship a package out of the country
the post office and other
shippers will have you fill out a declarations form.
If certain material and
to particular countries, the carriers refuse to
accept it. FedEx, UPS and USPS
sticks strictly to the rules. But a foreign country
can't prosecute you for
trying, I don't think.

There are some exceptions to what I've written, If
you really want to import
seeds contact me off line and I'll put you in
contact with the proper APHIS
person to apply for an import permit. You also will
need a letter from your
local state entomologist approving the importation
and they counter sign your
application. APHIS will work with you, they are
wonderful understanding folks but
you have to jump through hoops. They are paid with
tax $$$ and are our
servants.

Jerry





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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:02:23 -0500
From: "h black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Yuzu?
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Not sure what I have but it was labeled Yuzu. They look like a small
tangerine, yellow with thick rind. The inside breaks into sections like a
tangerine but tastes like lemon, but maybe not so sour. Blossoms are very
fragrant and cover the bush. Hector Black zone 6 (bring 'em in for the
winter) TN
----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Whitehead" <voltaire@islandnet.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Yuzu?



Is that the one that gets ripped apart and tossed in the bath? I
was told it was not for eating - the flesh was skimpy-looking, but it
certainly perfumed the bathroom.

Diane Whitehead




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