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  • From: Jacquelyn Kuehn <jakuehn@verizon.net>
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  • Subject: [NAFEX] josta ID
  • Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:56:12 -0400

mIEKAL,

My Jostas are as big as or bigger than blueberries, round, and red-black when ripe. If yours look identical to red currants, they are definitely NOT jostas.
<x-tad-bigger>Jacquelyn A. Kuehn</x-tad-bigger>
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Jostaberries (Michael Dossett)
2. Re: Jostaberries (tanis cuff)
3. Re: Merced Farmers' Market (tanis cuff)
4. Re: price of food (Donna &/or Kieran)
5. Re: Jostaberries (hans brinkmann)
6. bilberries and jostaberries (Jacquelyn Kuehn)
7. Re: bilberries and jostaberries (mIEKAL aND)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:28:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Dossett <phainopepla@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jostaberries
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Ginda,

There is a specific hybrid cultivar with that name,
just as Loganberry is a specific cultivar of red
raspberry x blackberry hybrid and Tayberry is another.
I wouldn't be surprised if people started misusing
the same name to refer to other varieties of the same
or similar combination, though.

Michael Dossett
Corvallis, OR


--- Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us> wrote:

What I read (on this list, a couple of years ago) is
that jostaberry refers
to any hybrid (between black currant and gooseberry,
as I recall) and they
vary widely in quality. Someone developed some good
ones and popularized
the name, but since then others have sold all sorts
of hybrids, some with
little or no merit.
___
Ginda

...... Original Message .......
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:45:37 -0500 "William C.
Garthright"
<billg@inebraska.com> wrote:
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:35:39 +0000
From: "tanis cuff" <tanistanis@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jostaberries
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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Here in s.WI deer will feed on a jostaberry bush until there's no hope, but
they don't touch red-currants & clove currant bushes.



----Original Message Follows----
From: Lisa Almarode
To: North American Fruit Explorers <>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jostaberries
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:39:39 -0700 (PDT)

I really like them - they are much larger than regular blackcurrants,
and not as strongly flavored (I don't recall what the crandall taste
like, mine are losing against the grass, but it might have been
similar) - the jostas when fully ripe taste great fresh. The seed to
fruit ratio is much better than say cherry currant. The josta is
doing much better here than any of the straight gooseberries; I
suspect they take a higher soil pH, or it's possible they are more
tolerant of soil water extremes or of heavy clay.

For those who haven't experienced this fruit, it is tart but
delicious, there are no major pests or diseases, and they grow in
my unamended clay soil like champs.
...
about them. Many sources said they were mediocre in taste ("small,
thick-skinned, pulpy"), while others said they were good-tasting
fresh.
One site said, "They are the size of a small gooseberry and lacking
in flavor, suitable only for experimentation. Buffalo currant



Lisa in Ashland Oregon
USDA Z7 - Sunset Z7 - 1800' - 19" annual rainfall



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:39:07 +0000
From: "tanis cuff" <tanistanis@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Merced Farmers' Market
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"Stupid"? Looks to me like they got YOU to do the work of hanging around
the market while they got to go home! [Please accept as good-natured spoof,
because I'm one who would rather go home earlier w/ less money.]


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jim Fruth" <>
To: "NAFEX" <>
Subject: [NAFEX] Merced Farmers' Market
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:17:08 -0500

I used to sell produce at the Merced Farmers' Market (Merced is 40
miles
West of Yosemite Park). It was a good market until the Hmongs moved in.
They were on welfare and selling for dirt cheap. I sold my Okra, for
example, at $1.00 per pound and the Hmongs sold for 50 cents per pound. So
I went to all of their booths, bought their Okra and resold it for $1.00 and
they were all too stupid to figure out that they could have earned twice
what they were charging.

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:47:24 -0500
From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <holycow@cookeville.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] price of food
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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The 12" of rain we got in 4 days ruined most our garden. (Kansas)

Yes Mark, all of us east and south of you could have used some of that rain
and the stuff Texas got, and I'm sure you all would have been glad to let us
have it. It's the weak jetstream, not blowing the weather east like it
should. Agricultural production will be a fraction of normal (maybe half?
Surely not over 2/3) in 2007 for the entire southeast, and I assume that
excess rain is adversely affecting crops in those middle states that are
getting all our rain.
As for the price of food, yes, fruit is very easy to grow in quantity in
those places where it is easy to grow. Has fruit growing been cost
effective for me here where fruit is NOT easy to grow? Not at all!!! But I
keep working at it, looking for what does well here. I have been a fruit
"scrounger" for the nearly 25 years I've spent in Tennessee, and THAT has
been very good for our food bills over the years, esp when the kids were
growing up. The fact that I have been able to get fruit from trees planted
years ago means that if you can find the right fruits, the right varieties,
the right rootstocks, the right location, the right soil, and get them well
established, they can be very productive.
Blackberries would have to be number one, esp as we eat most of them
fresh, or with value added as wine. Apples come a close second, especially
when the sheer volume I have collected is considered. Again with value
added as dried fruit or as wine, they have been an exellent "buy". Pears
have begun to catch up with apples in terms of volume, as they do better
here on our boron deficient clay soil than apples. Some of these have been
very good ripened to perfection for eating raw, some get dried, some have
gone into pies, into curries, into wine, and into hot pepper jam and
pear/quince butter. Then there are blueberries. The local human population
avidly consumes some 8-10 tons per year of Hector Black's annual crop (this
I think will be his first crop failure in 30 years). Last year my 10 year
old plants did very well. My investment totaled $40 for the plants and
about $14 for some bird netting last year. I expect the plants to outlast
me, getting bigger every year. And local peaches, plums, chestnuts have all
played a small but much appreciated part in our diet.

Gardening is a different matter. Gardening ALWAYS pays for us. We use
only hand tools, have spent very little on fencing as the dogs love to chase
deer away, and I do save my own bean, tomato, and crowder pea seeds. Not
only do we get the best quality produce, but I don't have to make decisions
at the grocery or farmer's mkt and then find I bought too much or too
little. The produce sits out there, informing me what I'll be fixing for
dinner, and it's usually willing to wait a few days while I juggle with what
has to be eaten first. Mind you, though I have spent a lot on seeds
overall, it is a fraction of what I get back. A certain amount is always
wasted because I keep trying things that usually don't work out, but the
experimentation has been a big help in finding what does do well. If you
want encouragement in this regard, get a copy of BREED YOUR OWN GARDEN
VEGETABLES, by Carol Deppe. Carol describes the most elegant yet simple
techniques she uses to evaluate new varieties, and tells stories of breeding
efforts and the steps along the way. She has a very interesting list of
species that are used for food and their relatives, including fruit. She
has certainly been an inspiration to me in my garden. It is due to her and
of course to many NAFEXers that I have watched my wild blackberries for
interesting variations. Now that my young Kiowa plants have managed to
mature a few fruits despite the Big Freeze, I see that although they are
very large as advertised, that we have some very large wild blackberries
that make a pretty decent showing. Though I must say, I am a little puzzled
as to how they got the grape Koolaid flavor in the Kiowas.... Donna



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:29:17 +0200
From: hans brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jostaberries
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <468E5FCD.4010302@t-online.de>
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Hallo Michele,
let me just tell additionally.
Mr. Lee Reich is very right,
Jostaberries are developed at Germany in the 20th and 50th and some are
also very new.
They are more vigorously, usually very resistant, but to harvest is not
very nice (in comparison).
Never machine harvesting. Late frost may be a problem.

Jocheline: Silvergieter's Black x Green Riesen,
Jogranda: Langtraubige Schwarze x Ribes divaricatum
Josta: ( Langtraubige Schwarze x Ribes divaricatum) x
(Silvergieter's Black x Green Hansa)
Jostine:
"
" better taste
Rik?: Silvergieter's Black x Ribes uva crispa "Lady Delamere"
Jonova: reddish color, very new, Dr. Bauer

ciao
hans


Michele Stanton schrieb:

My Jostaberry bushes are 4 years old now and producing well. I would
like to compare mine to some of the newer cultivars out there. Is
anyone else in the Midwest growing any of the new black-red currant
hybrids that are available?



For those who haven't experienced this fruit, it is tart but
delicious, there are no major pests or diseases, and they grow in my
unamended clay soil like champs. The fruit is a dark purplish black
and my guess is that its high in anthocynanins. My only complaint is
that harvest is laborious as most strigs are composed of 1-3 berries.
BUt I would recommend them to anyone needing a deciduous shrub in
an edible landscape, and they are also easily grown organically.



Michele



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:30:08 -0400
From: Jacquelyn Kuehn <jakuehn@verizon.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] bilberries and jostaberries
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Thanks, Donna, for your information on bilberries. The person who asked
me is looking for a way to help his aunt with vision problems, and thus
is trying to find a source of dried berries and/or leaves for tea, both
of which are supposed to help. Does anyone know if jostaberries, of
which I have an abundance, contain enough of or the right kinds of
anthocyanins to help with eyesight or diabetes?

Speaking of jostaberries, I have grown them for about 8 years in zone 5
western PA, and they are trouble-free. Sometimes their vigor is almost
too much, since they also reproduce fairly freely. Last year they
produced nothing, and I decided to pull them out, but never got around
to it. This year, they're producing freely, and are tastier than ever,
so I guess they get to stay a while longer. And if they're useful to my
friend's aunt, great!

Jacquelyn A. Kuehn
Musician, writer
http://www.pennsacreskitchen.net
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:45:19 -0500
From: mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] bilberries and jostaberries
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How do you tell if they are jostaberries.? I've got 4 or 5 plants
that were labelled jostaberries but quite honestly they look
identical to red currants.

~mIEKAL


On Jul 6, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Jacquelyn Kuehn wrote:

Thanks, Donna, for your information on bilberries. The person who
asked me is looking for a way to help his aunt with vision
problems, and thus is trying to find a source of dried berries and/
or leaves for tea, both of which are supposed to help. Does anyone
know if jostaberries, of which I have an abundance, contain enough
of or the right kinds of anthocyanins to help with eyesight or
diabetes?

Speaking of jostaberries, I have grown them for about 8 years in
zone 5 western PA, and they are trouble-free. Sometimes their vigor
is almost too much, since they also reproduce fairly freely. Last
year they produced nothing, and I decided to pull them out, but
never got around to it. This year, they're producing freely, and
are tastier than ever, so I guess they get to stay a while longer.
And if they're useful to my friend's aunt, great!

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