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  • From: "Anthony Curcio" <apc@vassolinc.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 54, Issue 11 Mulberry Cutting
  • Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:55:43 -0500

Starting a new Mulberry tree ..

Each summer we make the rounds to pick Mulberries
to make syrup. We always pick a few to taste.
There is one tree that is consistently the best tasting and
has the largest berries. Does anyone have a couple of pointers
as to the best time and method to take a cutting to start a new tree?
Thank you, Anthony NW Illinois Z 4-5

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Getting the word out WAS Re: NNGA membership declines
(road's end farm)
2. Re: membership decline (Deb Schneider)
3. Re: Getting the word out WAS Re: NNGA membership declines
(rob hamilton)
4. Re: Pig nut Hickory (Donna &/or Kieran)
5. Re: 2007 CRFG Festival Of Fruit (rob hamilton)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:43:03 -0400
From: road's end farm <organic101@linkny.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Getting the word out WAS Re: NNGA membership
declines
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Jul 3, 2007, at 6:56 AM, loneroc wrote:

If we at NAFEX want to arrest a declining membership and combat a lack
of
general societal interest in fruit growing, we must seek out people
who have
nothing to contribute (other than their ears/eyes) initially. We must
hook
people who have marginal initial interest in fruit and help to create
the
new experts who will take up the torch of the dead and dying
old-timers!!!!!!!!!!!!

A very good point.

And how is anyone to know that they're interested in something that
they've never been exposed to? None of us were born knowing any of
this. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wound up a fruit (and, actually
primarily right now, vegetable) grower due to almost accidental
exposure.

As others have posted, there's a huge amount of information available
in the heads of older people; as well as in the genes of their
plantings. Also as others have posted, there's a difficulty in getting
this information transmitted, and the future care of the plants
ensured. The difficulty is compounded by the fact that (with many
exceptions) some of the people who have the information, and some of
the people who could benefit from it and who are essential to prevent
it from being lost, are currently using different means of
communication.

What is needed here is translators; and I note that several volunteers
for this have posted on this also. What is not useful is for people, in
either group. to put down and/or try to ignore the existence of those
who prefer different communication methods than they themselves like to
use. Why shouldn't we try to make it easy for everybody to join, and as
easy as possible for everybody to communicate?

Claude, thanks for apology. I'm sure we've all hit "send" without
thinking of the possible impact of a particular line (and I was pretty
groggy when I answered you, and hope I didn't come off as snarly.) And
I do think subscription, as well as other communications, should be
possible through as many means as is practical.

--Rivka
Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:58:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Deb Schneider <debs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] membership decline
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I have three organizations I used to belong to that I no longer join. Biggest reason is that I have to hassle with printing out a membership form and sending a check! The one organization I am still a member of allows me to renew online using a credit card/debit card or Paypal.

I'd guess that 75% or more of any organizations members ONLY PAY DUES and do not do anything much else. So discounting those folks as meaningless, is rather silly as that is a big chunk of money to keep the organization running. Those of us "lurking" members, are happy to support the group if it's made simple to do so.

I also think that many organizations do not do a good job with websites. I am much more likely to be involved with an organization that has a high quality/high content well-functioning website. I would even prefer it to a paper newsletter. One of my former organizations decided to make their quarterly publication a glossy, full color deal. I skim it and toss it. I'd rather get it online and have it available on their (bare bones NOT glossy) website where I could access it when I want it without having to find a place to store it.

Now the NAFEX Pomona is a lot of fun to get, but it would be tons more useful if it was accessible online to members with a searchable index. You give me all the back issues of Pomona online in this manner and let me renew online and I would pay a good sized membership fee to get this!

deb
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Getting the word out WAS Re: NNGA membership
declines
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I do agree with you that we should accommodate people with all levels of interest.
Also we have to consider people that come to nafex for different reasons. We have research people like Dr. Clark from Arkansas. Joseph Postman and Tom Beckman from USARS. I am sure we have a few extension agent as well (I want to really increase in the group). We have people who own small pick-your-own establishment, fruit tree nurseries (large and small).
these people may not have the time to be active on the mailing list, but we do not want to forget about them.

A paypal account doesnt seem like big issue and would add convenience.
Having multiple ways of accessing information and doing the billing, I think is a good thing. This will be brought up at the meeting. We just need to consider all aspects. We have a new tax status now and we need to look over this issue as well as many others, so I am hardly in the position to say this will be done.


"William C. Garthright" <billg@inebraska.com> wrote:
I don't think you lose anyone important if they can't be bothered to write a check and stamp an envelope. If they aren't interested enough in fruit trees to write out a check, I'm also quite sure they would have nothing to contribute to NAFEX.



I suppose it depends on who you consider important. I have a lot of
interests competing for my attention. I'm not young, but I'm a beginner
at fruit growing. I'm enjoying it, but I'm not obsessed with it, to the
exclusion of everything else. If you make it easy for me to join NAFEX,
I'm sure I will. If not, I might get around to it and I might not. As I
say, I have a LOT of interests, and NAFEX isn't the only group competing
for my attention. Those that make it especially easy to join - and to
renew - have a big advantage.

Now, I'm sure I'm not "important" to the group, except that the whole
point of this discussion was to increase membership. That means bringing
in newbies like me - and younger newbies, in particular. They might
indeed have "nothing to contribute to NAFEX" right now, except their
questions. But if this is what you want, then you might as well accept a
declining membership.

Bill

--
The key to understanding the American system is to imagine that you have
the power to make nearly any law you want. But your worst enemy will be
the one to enforce it. - Rick Cook
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:13:20 -0500
From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <holycow@cookeville.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pig nut Hickory
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Jerry,
Thank you for this information, but the notion of pecans as rootstock is not much use to me as pecans don't like our dense clay soil. From what your bro-in-law says, I can assume that pecan is compatible with mockernut, but I can't assume anything else is. I have found that hicans graft well to mockernut. Next I need to just try shagbarks and pecans on it. I've stupidly been trying shagbarks on the pignuts the last two years, just checked some more grafts, every one of that combination failed, same as last year. I notice he doesn't even mention pignuts.
I'm sure the terrible drought is a big part of my problem this year, as of the grafts and chipbuds done this year, 2 out of 2 pecans on pecan failed, 2 out of 3 Greenriver on bitternut failed, and 7 out of 8 BK on BK failed. I'm not sure I have any successes, the others are just not obviously dead. Oh, I did have a shellbark chipbud take on mockernut, but the bud died, so I have what looks like a very nice skin graft on that tree. I was careful to have white showing all around on the chipbuds, and wrapped them with damp newspaper and white plastic to keep the blazing sun from drying them out. By contrast, my pear grafts and buds have been mostly successful. One difference is that the pear rootstocks are in pots in the shade where I can water them, whereas the nut trees are scattered here and there taking their chances with the drought.
We had right at 12" rain for the first 6 months, half our normal rainfall, on top of deficient rainfall the last 2 years. We actually got nearly 3" in June, and got to see the garden grow for a week or two as it should have been growing all along. Our pole bean plants had stayed 6 inches tall for 6 weeks. I was trying to dig a hole in what had been a manure pile last year and hit something hard, not a rock, more like a tree root. I switched from a shovel to a mattock and found that the hard thing was the soil underneath the light fluffy compost. After digging out chunks of petrified clay soil, I decided to water a bit before digging the rest of the holes. These were for eggplants and peppers that I've kept in pots, covered with a nylon curtain and in a spot that gets afternoon sun. I was afraid to plant them till we got that rain in June. (My eggplants have never looked so good, no flea beetles to turn their leaves to lace.)
Anyway, with such a terrible failure rate, I have been getting anxious to try to figure out what is wrong before I waste next spring as well. I am taking the last of the scions Lucky sent me and trying them any way I can think of. With water is probably not an option though. Donna

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:26:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] 2007 CRFG Festival Of Fruit
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Thanx for the post Ben.
I plan to be there. I am looking for some people to hangout with for that first day nursery tour....

Ben Pierce <benrpierce@cox.net> wrote: The 2007 California Rare Fruit Growers Festival Of Fruit will be held in San Diego this year on August 10-11. This is the year of the mango but we will have plenty of speakers representing temperate zone fruits. There will also be tours, vendors, and a fantastic Mexican dinner on Saturday night. For more information check out our website at http://festivaloffruit.org Thanks.

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