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["Thomas Olenio" <tolenio@sentex.net>]

Hi,

 

I just scanned that article and nowhere does it state they eliminated feed.  They did state that " almost every conceivable and realistic cause remains a possibility". They then went on to list the top ten reasons, which included " Style of feeding bees and type of bee food".

 

There is also no reference as who made this statement at the web page you gave.  I was able to find the hearing here, at a government website.  Testimony has not been transcribed to the web yet.  I never rely on blogs for facts.

 

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, March 29, 2007

Media Contact: April Demert Slayton (202) 225-6872 april.slayton@mail.house.gov

 

	Subcommittee Investigates Honey Bee Colony Collapse Disorder
	WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, Congressman Dennis Cardoza, Chairman of the House Agriculture Committee’s Subcommittee on Horticulture and Organic Agriculture, held a hearing to investigate colony collapse disorder in honey bee colonies across the United States.   Colony collapse disorder (CCD) is characterized by the sudden die-off of honey bee colonies. The cause of CCD has not been determined, and the Subcommittee heard about the situation and its impact on agriculture from scientists and bee keepers, as well as a farmer who relies on bees to pollinate his crops.   “I am deeply committed to raising awareness of CCD and its impact on American agriculture,” said Subcommittee Chairman Cardoza.  “Farmers and beekeepers across the country are dependent on honey bees for their livelihoods. It is imperative that we move swiftly to get to the bottom of this, before the problem becomes even more serious. The insight and perspectives we heard in today’s hearing will be very useful as we consider the next steps in addressing this threat to honey bees, and to the livelihoods of commercial beekeepers and crop producers.”   “Honey bee pollination is vital to flowers and many fruit, vegetable, nut and forage crops, as well as forages and flowers.  In addition, pollination from honey bees increases yield and food quality and creates billions of dollars of crop value for farmers. Agriculture has a strong interest in maintaining a sound supply of pollinators, and I encourage researchers to work closely with producers to find a solution to the current colony collapse,” said Subcommittee Ranking Member Randy Neugebauer.   Witness testimony is available on the Committee website: http://agriculture.house.gov/hearings/index.html. A full transcript of the hearing will be posted on the Committee website in 4-6 weeks.   Witness List Associate Administrator Caird E. Rexroad, PhD, Agricultural Research Service, USDA, Washington, D.C.   Dr. Diana Cox-Foster, PhD, Professor, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania   Dr. May R. Berenbaum, Professor and Head, Department of Entomology, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Urbana, Illinois   Mr. Paul Wenger, First Vice President, California Farm Bureau Federation, Modesto, California   Mr. David Ellingson, Commercial Bee Keeper, Ortonville, MN   Mr. Gene Brandi, Legislative Chairman, California State Beekeepers Association, Los Banos, California   Mr. Jim Doan, Commercial Bee Keeper, Hamlin, New York   Mr. Richard Adee, Legislative Committee Chairman, American Honey Producers Association, Bruce, South Dakota

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Michael Nave
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:14 AM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] gluten

 

It's not likely to be food. That was one of the first

things investigated, and eliminated::

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x664435

 

--- Thomas Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net> wrote:

 

> Hi,

>

> 

>

> Wheat gluten is what is left after starch is washed

> away from the wheat.

> Isn't starch what sugar breaks down into?

>

> 

>

> For example...  the sugars in sweet corn break down

> into starch, making the

> corn significantly less palatable.  Same thing

> happens to apples.

>

> 

>

> So I would ask what happens to the starch and yeast

> (see below) that is

> washed away.  If the feed grade wheat was

> contaminated would the

> contaminates end up in the wheat gluten, along with

> other wheat gluten

> byproducts, and where do those other byproducts end

> up?

>

> 

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_gluten_(food)

>

> Wheat gluten - also called seitan (pronounced

> SAY-tahn), wheat meat,

> wheat-meat, wheatmeat, gluten meat, or simply gluten

> - is a foodstuff made

> from the gluten

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten>  of wheat

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat> . It is made by

> washing dough

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dough>  made from

> wheat flour

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour>  in water until

> the starch

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starch>  is rinsed

> away, leaving only the

> gluten, which can then be cooked and processed in

> various ways.

>

> >From my limited knowledge of commercial honeybees

> they are fed pollen, sugar

> supplements, protein, carbohydrates, and yeast among

> other things.  A lot of

> those things would appear to be by-products of wheat

> gluten processing.

>

> 

>

> I am not saying this is the answer, but it sure is

> plausible based on timing

> and related events.  Somebody with the tools should

> investigate.  I would

> love to be proved wrong, as we all learn from

> mistaken theories.

>

> 

>

> Not that I imagine commercial honey producers would

> ever want the general

> public to even consider this hypothesis.

>

> 

>

> Later,

>

> Tom

>

> 

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org

> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf

> Of athagan@atlantic.net

> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:29 AM

> To: North American Fruit Explorers

> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] gluten

>

> 

>

> Glucose and gluten are two very different things.

> Glucose is a simple

>

> sugar, gluten a combination of proteins.

>

> 

>

> ......Alan.

>

> 

>

> 

>

> Quoting Thomas Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net>:

>

> 

>

> > Hi,

>

> >

>

> > 

>

> >

>

> > According to the USDA.

>

> >

>

> > 

>

> >

>

> > http://www.beesource.com/pov/usda/abjfeb1977.htm

>

> >

>

> > 

>

> >

>

> > ."Sugars which poison bees when fed at low levels

> in sucrose syrup

>

> > include

>

> > galactose, arabinose, xylose, melibiose, mannose,

> raffinose,

>

> > stachyose, and

>

> > lactose (Barker and Lehner, 1974b; Barker 1976a).

> Pectin, agar, and

>

> > many

>

> > gums are toxic or can hydrolyze to toxic sugars.

> On the other hand,

>

> > glucose,

>

> > fructose, maltose, sucrose, melezitose, and

> trehalose are safe and

>

> > nutritious. The reasons some sugars are poisonous

> at low dosages

>

> > are

>

> > unknown; conflicting theories have been published.

> Even important

>

> > biochemical processes which produce honey from

> nectar remain

>

> > cloaked in

>

> > ignorance."".

>

> >

>

> > 

>

> >

>

> > >From the above this honey bee novice infers that

> glucose (gluten)

>

> > is fed to

>

> > commercial honey bees.

>

> >

>

> > 

>

> >

>

> > It would make sense that if contaminated feed

> grade, gluten got

>

> > into the

>

> > supply chain it may affect honey bees.

>

> >

>

> > 

>

> >

>

> > I know next to nothing about bees, and leave it to

> experts to

>

> > figure out.

>

> >

>

> > 

>

> >

>

> > Later,

>

> >

>

> > Tom

>

> >

>

> >

>

> 

>

> 

>

> 

>

> 

>

> 

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