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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Kuehn
Sent: 01/23/2007 6:08 PM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [NAFEX] Pomona?


Has anyone received the Winter 2007 Pomona? I don't know if it's this
late in coming out, or if I mislaid mine somehow without noticing it.

Thanks.

Jackie Kuehn

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>    2. Re: Aronia + Castanea + squirrels (Hans Brinkmann)
>    3. Re: small chestnut trees (Hans Brinkmann)
>    4. Re: flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed? (Bob Hartman)
>    5. Re: flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed? (BekeeprTop@aol.com)
>    6. Re: flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed? (dwoodard@becon.org)
>    7. Youngsters pitch chokecherry as ND state fruit (Brungardt, Sam)
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> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:18:57 -0600
> From: <dmnorton@royaloakfarmorchard.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed?
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> The rootstock I am most familiar with that has some tolerance to wet
> conditions is M111.  We have used it in our lower elevations to good
> success.  It is a bit precocious, but can be well controlled with
> proper
> pruning.  It tolerates water logging and drought, is well anchored,
> resists
> wooly apple aphid and will dwarf to 90% of seedling-rooted size.  It
> is also
> good in sandy soils, but is susceptible to crown rot under very poor
> conditions.  Hope this helps.
>
>
> Dennis Norton
> Royal Oak Farm Orchard
> http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com
> http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com
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>> Please & thanks for your views of the current need or market demand
>> for a
>> very flood-tolerant apple rootstock.
>>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:44:57 +0100
> From: Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Aronia + Castanea + squirrels
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> Hallo Mark + Charlie,
> ja, your American Squirrel is really something special.
> I mad a mistake, as I wrote: GB England made an unwanted import...
> Some English people made a wanted import and set them free 100 years
> ago.
> Now is is present almost everywhere at England and the native English
> Squirrel is more and more erased.
> Now-a-days the British are hating the American Squirrel and loving the
> English one.
> The difference must be really obviously.
> Anyhow, the British are not calculating the direct damage, but more the
> indirect damage due to the change of the fauna.
> We received some other animals from you and probably vice versa.
>
> ciao
> hans
>
>
>
> Mark & Helen Angermayer schrieb:
>> Hi Charlie/Hans,
>>
>> I was fortunate to visit a pecan orchard last fall.  I was told one
>> squirrel
>> will eat 50 lbs. of nuts per year.  They were hunting them with a
>> shotgun
>> and by November they had shot over 100.   At $1.50 per lb. wholesale
>> that
>> $7500 worth of nuts.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Aronia + Castanea
>>
>>
>>
>>> a chestnut with soft burrs would never be eaten by humans, at least
>>> not if
>>>
>> it
>>
>>> were grown in new england.  Squirrels would get every chestnut.  I
>>> don't
>>>
>> even
>>
>>> know how squirrels survive, they are so stupid to start harvesting
>>> pecans
>>> long before the meat really fills.
>>>
>>> In the south, pecan orchards are kept way away from other woods so
>>> the
>>> squirrels would have to cover a lot of open ground to get to the
>>> pecans.
>>>
>>> There's reasons sometimes things have to be the way they are - all
>>> the
>>>
>> time I
>>
>>> see grass here and there come up albino - a shell-less oyster might
>>> be
>>>
>> handy
>>
>>> because it wouldn't require shucking but the oyster wouldn't do well
>>>
>> without a
>>
>>> shell .   You gotta have the meanest burrs on chestnuts.
>>> Charlie Paradise, Massachusetts
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> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:23:21 +0100
> From: Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] small chestnut trees
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> Hallo Donna,
> again You, and you Americans are knowing much more about Castanea.
> I am sure the biggest Castanea breeding countries are the USA and
> Japan.
> In Europe we have many varieties, but in small Japan they have more
> than
> 200 varieties.
> Most our varieties are C. sativa, but more and more we have also C.
> crenata x sativa crosses.
> C. dentata is not used because of the known problems.
> But up to my knowledge all your very interesting Castaneas are not used
> at Europe.
> Just we have some in botanical gardens.
> Anyhow more and more we have also the Chestnut blight at Europe, but
> our
> Castanea are
> a little bit more resistant.
> In Eurpe this "Ecker 1" is really a good choice for a smaller tree.
> With
> cutting we can keep a
> Castanea at the size of an medium Apple tree.
> Do you have nice fruiting Castanea with small growth at the USA? Zone
> 6?
>
> ciao
> Hans
>
>
> Donna &/or Kieran schrieb:
>> Hans,  You know, there ARE some small trees in the chestnut family.
>> One of
>> them is the chinkapin, and there are some crosses of chinkapins.  I
>> suppose
>> the Chinese chink, C. henryi, actually gets pretty large, and the
>> seguin
>> isn't all that hardy.    Donna
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> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:39:49 -0800
> From: Bob Hartman <hartmansfruittrees@wport.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed?
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> EM - 13 is listed as doing well on heavy soils and high water table.
> It
> is listed as intolerant of dry soil conditions.  I have used it as a
> rootstock to graft a dwarfing interstem such as P-22 to create wet soil
> tolerant trees.  This information is from Dwarfed Fruit Trees by Harold
> B Tukey.
>
> Bob Hartman
> Western Washington
>
> tanis cuff wrote:
>
>> Please & thanks for your views of the current need or market demand
>> for a very flood-tolerant apple rootstock.
>>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:51:43 EST
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> species with best reputation for wet feet toleration:   Malus Fusca of
> Oregon.
>
> Is there a need/demand for wet-tolerant rootstock?   Yes, apparantly,
> because
> some professional researchers have already spent research time looking
> into
> Fusca and others.
>
> How develop a particular specimen you're watching?   Actually what
> you'll
> have to do to your tree first is screen it - which really is
> subjecting it to
> elimination if it fails a series of tests - and your tree to be
> considered for a
> rootstock must show an ability to throw roots!   You can't make a
> rootstock
> out of a tree that refuses to throw roots, because its not worth yours
> or a
> rootstock nurseryman's time to fight with a rootstock that propagates
> hard.
>
> Because I can't seem to find anything really effective to do with my
> life,
> I've spent some afternoons going up to various apple trees and
> air-layering
> them, trying to get them on to their own roots. [Now why exactly I do
> this is
> outside the present subject-matter but it probably is a very illogical
> thing to
> try to do].   Based on my casual experience, I would say 80% of apples
> will not
> throw roots.   That means any given apple you're looking has a 20%
> chance of
> having adequate rooting talent to go on to further screenings.
>
> I'm not sure what your next step is with your tree.   Either you're
> going to
> have to learn to root trees yourself, or you're going to have to find
> someone
> to come in that does, or you're going to have to send scions to
> someone who's
> used to doing it who will graft the scion onto some other apple then
> root the
> scion that grows.    There are people in NAFEX who developed rootstocks
> professionally in universities who could say much more.
> Charlie Paradise, Massachusetts
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> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:23:06 -0500 (EST)
> From: dwoodard@becon.org
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> M13 has been represented to be tolerant to moist soils. I believe that
> the
> Geneva station did some work with it in the past. I don't know whether
> it
> is still available in the U.S.
>
> I imagine that M13 would be the standard to beat.
>
> I have heard that Dutchess of Oldenburg (Charlamovsky?) seedlings tend
> to
> be tolerant of moist soils.
>
> My guess is that there is plenty of suitable apple orchard land
> available right now, especially given imports from China etc. I also
> wonder if soils subject to flooding would be as productive as better
> drained soils even if the trees did survive. Finally, I think most
> soils subject to flooding would be in river valleys and would suffer
> from
> poor air drainage and therefor from unseasonable frosts. Some
> exceptions
> might be land beside large bodies of water. I think that a principle
> region where such roostocks are valued is the low-lying land in the
> Elbe
> estuary near Hamburg in Germany, somewhat protected from frost by the
> estuary and its nearness to the North Sea.
>
> Now, some decades hence when we are on the backside of the oil peak and
> transportation is more expensive, local production is likely to be more
> important. Eventually due to resource shortages our economy may have
> to be
> reorganize on more of a subsistence basis. I can see late-blooming
> cultivars getting more attention. Then flood-tolerant rootstocks
> might be of wider interest, but it will take a while. Don't expect to
> get
> rich, If you can afford it and the material can be preserved, it may be
> useful work.
>
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, tanis cuff wrote:
>
>> Please & thanks for your views of the current need or market demand
>> for a
>> very flood-tolerant apple rootstock.
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:01:59 -0600
> From: "Brungardt, Sam" <Sam.Brungardt@state.mn.us>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Youngsters pitch chokecherry as ND state fruit
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> No. 1 pick
> By Teri Finneman  <tfinneman@forumcomm.com>
> (Fargo Forum front page - 01/19/2007)
> North Dakota may soon get what a group of teenagers thinks it needs --
> an official state fruit.
> A dozen Williston seventh- graders boarded a bus at 6 a.m. today to
> take
> their mission to the Capitol -- making the chokecherry the official
> state fruit.  The classmates will appear before the Senate Natural
> Resources Committee at 11 a.m.
> "They are very excited and a little nervous, too, as is the teacher,"
> said their former sixth-grade teacher Nancy Selby.
> The push started last year after Selby's then-students read a
> newsletter
> about a student who wanted a state fruit in his state.
> After realizing North Dakota didn't have one, students wrote letters to
> Gov. John Hoeven, who explained the Legislature passes laws.
> The students remembered learning about chokecherries in fourth grade
> when studying Lewis and Clark.
> They then asked Sen. Stan Lyson, R-Williston, to sponsor their bill.
> Lyson still chuckles about his surprise over their persistence.
> "Do I think that the state needs an official fruit?  No.  But what
> better way to teach young children how our state and our laws are
> made?"
> said Lyson, chairman of the committee that will hear the bill.
> North Dakota's emblems reflect the character and the culture of the
> state, said Don Canton, a spokesman for Hoeven.  Some are used in the
> state Tourism Division's Travel Guide 2007, said spokeswoman Kim
> Schmidt.
> The chokecherry shouldn't breathe easy just yet, however.  Some
> proposed
> state symbols haven't made the cut.
> Efforts to name Barnes soil the official state soil failed in 1989 and
> 1991.  The honey bee also didn't make it as the state insect in 1989.
> In 1985, a failed attempt was made to designate the red fox as the
> state
> mammal.  Two tries were made -- in 1995 and 1997 -- to make Knife River
> flint the official state rock.
> If you think state rocks and insects are odd, Minnesota has a state
> muffin (blueberry), Georgia has a state seashell (knobbed whelk) and
> Oklahoma has a state country-and-western song ("Faded Love").
> Wayne Sanstead still recalls the 1967 session when he proposed making
> Teredo Petrified Wood the state fossil.
> "That was one of the most intriguing bills in the history of the
> Legislature, in my book," the former legislator and current
> superintendent of the Department of Public Instruction said.
> A group of North Dakota gem and mineral hobbyists approached him to
> designate a state fossil.  The national Gem and Mineral Society
> representatives took pictures during the bill signing to publish in
> their worldwide magazine, Sanstead said.
> "I didn't know anything about Teredo wood or about state fossils,"
> Sanstead said.  "It made a hero of me to untold numbers of people."
> Selby also didn't think her students' effort would get this far.  "I
> know it's going to be a great, interesting day," Selby said.
> Readers can reach Forum reporter Teri Finneman at (701) 241-5560
>
> Senate endorses chokecherry for state
> The (Fargo, N.D.) Forum - 01/20/2007
> BISMARCK - Hailey Horob, Lexie Enget and Jake Germundson succeeded
> Friday where many professional lobbyists have fallen short.  The three
> Williston seventh-graders coaxed a Senate committee to immediately
> endorse a bill they favored.
> It would name the chokecherry as North Dakota's state fruit.
> The students took turns praising the chokecherry Friday at a hearing of
> the Senate Natural Resources Committee.
> They described the chokecherry plant's various uses.
>
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