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- Subject: [NAFEX] Pomona?
- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:08:07 -0500
Has anyone received the Winter 2007 Pomona? I don't know if it's this late in coming out, or if I mislaid mine somehow without noticing it.
Thanks.
Jackie Kuehn
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1. Re: flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed?
(dmnorton@royaloakfarmorchard.com)
2. Re: Aronia + Castanea + squirrels (Hans Brinkmann)
3. Re: small chestnut trees (Hans Brinkmann)
4. Re: flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed? (Bob Hartman)
5. Re: flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed? (BekeeprTop@aol.com)
6. Re: flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed? (dwoodard@becon.org)
7. Youngsters pitch chokecherry as ND state fruit (Brungardt, Sam)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:18:57 -0600
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed?
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The rootstock I am most familiar with that has some tolerance to wet
conditions is M111. We have used it in our lower elevations to good
success. It is a bit precocious, but can be well controlled with proper
pruning. It tolerates water logging and drought, is well anchored, resists
wooly apple aphid and will dwarf to 90% of seedling-rooted size. It is also
good in sandy soils, but is susceptible to crown rot under very poor
conditions. Hope this helps.
Dennis Norton
Royal Oak Farm Orchard
http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com
http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:44:57 +0100
From: Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Aronia + Castanea + squirrels
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Hallo Mark + Charlie,
ja, your American Squirrel is really something special.
I mad a mistake, as I wrote: GB England made an unwanted import...
Some English people made a wanted import and set them free 100 years ago.
Now is is present almost everywhere at England and the native English
Squirrel is more and more erased.
Now-a-days the British are hating the American Squirrel and loving the
English one.
The difference must be really obviously.
Anyhow, the British are not calculating the direct damage, but more the
indirect damage due to the change of the fauna.
We received some other animals from you and probably vice versa.
ciao
hans
Mark & Helen Angermayer schrieb:
Hi Charlie/Hans,
I was fortunate to visit a pecan orchard last fall. I was told one squirrel
will eat 50 lbs. of nuts per year. They were hunting them with a shotgun
and by November they had shot over 100. At $1.50 per lb. wholesale that
$7500 worth of nuts.
Mark
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a chestnut with soft burrs would never be eaten by humans, at least not ifit
were grown in new england. Squirrels would get every chestnut. I don'teven
know how squirrels survive, they are so stupid to start harvesting pecanstime I
long before the meat really fills.
In the south, pecan orchards are kept way away from other woods so the
squirrels would have to cover a lot of open ground to get to the pecans.
There's reasons sometimes things have to be the way they are - all the
see grass here and there come up albino - a shell-less oyster might behandy
because it wouldn't require shucking but the oyster wouldn't do wellwithout a
shell . You gotta have the meanest burrs on chestnuts.sites.
Charlie Paradise, Massachusetts
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:23:21 +0100
From: Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] small chestnut trees
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Hallo Donna,
again You, and you Americans are knowing much more about Castanea.
I am sure the biggest Castanea breeding countries are the USA and Japan.
In Europe we have many varieties, but in small Japan they have more than
200 varieties.
Most our varieties are C. sativa, but more and more we have also C.
crenata x sativa crosses.
C. dentata is not used because of the known problems.
But up to my knowledge all your very interesting Castaneas are not used
at Europe.
Just we have some in botanical gardens.
Anyhow more and more we have also the Chestnut blight at Europe, but our
Castanea are
a little bit more resistant.
In Eurpe this "Ecker 1" is really a good choice for a smaller tree. With
cutting we can keep a
Castanea at the size of an medium Apple tree.
Do you have nice fruiting Castanea with small growth at the USA? Zone 6?
ciao
Hans
Donna &/or Kieran schrieb:
Hans, You know, there ARE some small trees in the chestnut family. One of
them is the chinkapin, and there are some crosses of chinkapins. I suppose
the Chinese chink, C. henryi, actually gets pretty large, and the seguin
isn't all that hardy. Donna
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:39:49 -0800
From: Bob Hartman <hartmansfruittrees@wport.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed?
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EM - 13 is listed as doing well on heavy soils and high water table. It
is listed as intolerant of dry soil conditions. I have used it as a
rootstock to graft a dwarfing interstem such as P-22 to create wet soil
tolerant trees. This information is from Dwarfed Fruit Trees by Harold
B Tukey.
Bob Hartman
Western Washington
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:51:43 EST
From: BekeeprTop@aol.com
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed?
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species with best reputation for wet feet toleration: Malus Fusca of
Oregon.
Is there a need/demand for wet-tolerant rootstock? Yes, apparantly, because
some professional researchers have already spent research time looking into
Fusca and others.
How develop a particular specimen you're watching? Actually what you'll
have to do to your tree first is screen it - which really is subjecting it to
elimination if it fails a series of tests - and your tree to be considered for a
rootstock must show an ability to throw roots! You can't make a rootstock
out of a tree that refuses to throw roots, because its not worth yours or a
rootstock nurseryman's time to fight with a rootstock that propagates hard.
Because I can't seem to find anything really effective to do with my life,
I've spent some afternoons going up to various apple trees and air-layering
them, trying to get them on to their own roots. [Now why exactly I do this is
outside the present subject-matter but it probably is a very illogical thing to
try to do]. Based on my casual experience, I would say 80% of apples will not
throw roots. That means any given apple you're looking has a 20% chance of
having adequate rooting talent to go on to further screenings.
I'm not sure what your next step is with your tree. Either you're going to
have to learn to root trees yourself, or you're going to have to find someone
to come in that does, or you're going to have to send scions to someone who's
used to doing it who will graft the scion onto some other apple then root the
scion that grows. There are people in NAFEX who developed rootstocks
professionally in universities who could say much more.
Charlie Paradise, Massachusetts
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:23:06 -0500 (EST)
From: dwoodard@becon.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] flood-tolerant apple rootstock needed?
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M13 has been represented to be tolerant to moist soils. I believe that the
Geneva station did some work with it in the past. I don't know whether it
is still available in the U.S.
I imagine that M13 would be the standard to beat.
I have heard that Dutchess of Oldenburg (Charlamovsky?) seedlings tend to
be tolerant of moist soils.
My guess is that there is plenty of suitable apple orchard land
available right now, especially given imports from China etc. I also
wonder if soils subject to flooding would be as productive as better
drained soils even if the trees did survive. Finally, I think most
soils subject to flooding would be in river valleys and would suffer from
poor air drainage and therefor from unseasonable frosts. Some exceptions
might be land beside large bodies of water. I think that a principle
region where such roostocks are valued is the low-lying land in the Elbe
estuary near Hamburg in Germany, somewhat protected from frost by the
estuary and its nearness to the North Sea.
Now, some decades hence when we are on the backside of the oil peak and
transportation is more expensive, local production is likely to be more
important. Eventually due to resource shortages our economy may have to be
reorganize on more of a subsistence basis. I can see late-blooming
cultivars getting more attention. Then flood-tolerant rootstocks
might be of wider interest, but it will take a while. Don't expect to get
rich, If you can afford it and the material can be preserved, it may be
useful work.
Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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Please & thanks for your views of the current need or market demand for a
very flood-tolerant apple rootstock.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:01:59 -0600
From: "Brungardt, Sam" <Sam.Brungardt@state.mn.us>
Subject: [NAFEX] Youngsters pitch chokecherry as ND state fruit
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No. 1 pick
By Teri Finneman <tfinneman@forumcomm.com>
(Fargo Forum front page - 01/19/2007)
North Dakota may soon get what a group of teenagers thinks it needs --
an official state fruit.
A dozen Williston seventh- graders boarded a bus at 6 a.m. today to take
their mission to the Capitol -- making the chokecherry the official
state fruit. The classmates will appear before the Senate Natural
Resources Committee at 11 a.m.
"They are very excited and a little nervous, too, as is the teacher,"
said their former sixth-grade teacher Nancy Selby.
The push started last year after Selby's then-students read a newsletter
about a student who wanted a state fruit in his state.
After realizing North Dakota didn't have one, students wrote letters to
Gov. John Hoeven, who explained the Legislature passes laws.
The students remembered learning about chokecherries in fourth grade
when studying Lewis and Clark.
They then asked Sen. Stan Lyson, R-Williston, to sponsor their bill.
Lyson still chuckles about his surprise over their persistence.
"Do I think that the state needs an official fruit? No. But what
better way to teach young children how our state and our laws are made?"
said Lyson, chairman of the committee that will hear the bill.
North Dakota's emblems reflect the character and the culture of the
state, said Don Canton, a spokesman for Hoeven. Some are used in the
state Tourism Division's Travel Guide 2007, said spokeswoman Kim
Schmidt.
The chokecherry shouldn't breathe easy just yet, however. Some proposed
state symbols haven't made the cut.
Efforts to name Barnes soil the official state soil failed in 1989 and
1991. The honey bee also didn't make it as the state insect in 1989.
In 1985, a failed attempt was made to designate the red fox as the state
mammal. Two tries were made -- in 1995 and 1997 -- to make Knife River
flint the official state rock.
If you think state rocks and insects are odd, Minnesota has a state
muffin (blueberry), Georgia has a state seashell (knobbed whelk) and
Oklahoma has a state country-and-western song ("Faded Love").
Wayne Sanstead still recalls the 1967 session when he proposed making
Teredo Petrified Wood the state fossil.
"That was one of the most intriguing bills in the history of the
Legislature, in my book," the former legislator and current
superintendent of the Department of Public Instruction said.
A group of North Dakota gem and mineral hobbyists approached him to
designate a state fossil. The national Gem and Mineral Society
representatives took pictures during the bill signing to publish in
their worldwide magazine, Sanstead said.
"I didn't know anything about Teredo wood or about state fossils,"
Sanstead said. "It made a hero of me to untold numbers of people."
Selby also didn't think her students' effort would get this far. "I
know it's going to be a great, interesting day," Selby said.
Readers can reach Forum reporter Teri Finneman at (701) 241-5560
Senate endorses chokecherry for state
The (Fargo, N.D.) Forum - 01/20/2007
BISMARCK - Hailey Horob, Lexie Enget and Jake Germundson succeeded
Friday where many professional lobbyists have fallen short. The three
Williston seventh-graders coaxed a Senate committee to immediately
endorse a bill they favored.
It would name the chokecherry as North Dakota's state fruit.
The students took turns praising the chokecherry Friday at a hearing of
the Senate Natural Resources Committee.
They described the chokecherry plant's various uses.
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[NAFEX] Pomona?,
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- Re: [NAFEX] Pomona?, Brungardt, Sam, 01/24/2007
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