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["Thomas Olenio" <tolenio@sentex.net>]

Hello,

I also found this web page with computer based pollination software.   
There is a link to seek permission to use it for research pyrposes at the  
bottom.

        http://www.pollinatorparadise.com/PT_question/sld016.htm

Later,
Tom


On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:27:07 -0400, Thomas Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net>  
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am no botonist either...  What about an end run...
>
> What is the spacing of crab apples in commercial apple orchards for
> pollination?  This may be an easier answer to find, then it is just a
> matter of size and scale.
>
> It all circulates around the insects, their foraging habits, and the
> weather.
>
>         April, 1997
>         Pollination and Orchard Management Systems
>         By Roger Hoopingarner
>         Michigan State University
>
>         http://virtualorchard.net/glfgn/april1997/buzz.html
>
> Later,
> Tom
>
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:37:56 -0400, Stefan Brandle
> <sbrandle@css.taylor.edu> wrote:
>
> > Disclaimer: I'm not a real botanist, don't even play a fake one in
> > movies, and may need to have someone more knowledgeable set the record
> > straight.  :-)
> >
> > I've been running into a number of references recently (NAFEX, Internet,
> > etc.) that suggest that the standard suggestion of a 1 male to 8 females
> > pollination ratio for hardier actinidia (arguta and kolomikta) may be
> > way low of optimal, especially for the home grower. Arguments are that
> > actinidia is generally a weak insect attractor, that males are generally
> > weak growers, and that wind pollination is a significant factor.
> >
> > This suggests that a useful planting strategy for the home grower is to
> > (1) plant a much higher male-female ratio in close proximity to each
> > other, and (2) to consider the prevailing wind direction. So planting
> > co-located/entwined male-female pairs should help. If a lower
> > male-female ratio is used, then planting the males upwind may be useful.
> >
> > A year or so ago I asked whether grafting male scions onto female vines
> > would help with pollination and several knowledgeable Nafexers thought
> > that it made sense, although they were cautious about how well the
> > grafts would do in zone 5 weather. I haven't tried the grafting yet, but
> > I'm sure I'll get around to it next spring. Anybody have experience
> > trying summer budding?
> >
> > On a related note, my arguta vines have a decent crop this spring. My
> > two male vines flowered for the first time (5 years and perhaps some
> > injudicious pruning after planting), but I also did hand pollination
> > with deliciosa pollen I got from a pollen-supplier in California. My 5-
> > and 4-year old daughters helped pollinate the low flowers with Q-tips,
> > but got off task after several minutes and started a new form of tag
> > that involves running around trying to pollinate each other with the
> > Q-tips. Me: "No, I don't have much pollen and I'm not going to give you
> > any more for your Q-tip unless you start putting it on the flowers, not
> > each other."  :-)
> >
> > -- sb
> >
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