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[Heron Breen <breen@fedcoseeds.com>]

I too think this is the correct origin, as I read an old book set in an 
English 
village and there was direct metaphor between a Giliflower apple and the 
flower, 
some kind of verse of poetry. I will have to recall more, but they are 
gorgeous.
Heron Breen
zone 4 maine

On Tue Mar 29 16:36 , 'Brungardt, Sam' <Sam.Brungardt@state.mn.us> sent:

>There is a very dark red, almost black-appearing carnation or pink
>(Dianthus), and perhaps Black Gilliflower apple was named because the
>colors of the flower and apple were similar. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul,
>Minn.
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org','','','')">nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> On 
Behalf Of Biz Storms
>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:58 PM
>To: North American Fruit Explorers
>Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Sheepsnose, Gilliflower, Apple Scents
>
>
>We made a country apple pie with some Braeburns, a Black Gilliflower and
>a 
>Redflesh Crab ( leftover from a taste test ). The redflesh gave it a 
>wonderful appearance and turned the juices a light pink. The Braeburns
>and 
>B. Gilliflower held their shape, while the Redflesh really softened. The
>
>best part was that the three distinct tastes made each bite a little 
>different. Although I wouldn't want an entire pie made from the
>Sheepnose, 
>as it would be too intense, it really contrasted with the sweeter
>Redflesh. 
>The taste of the Gilliflower also melded well with the cinnamon, since
>it 
>has a somewhat lingering, rich taste. Even though it is a fairly dry
>apple, 
>the Braeburns and the Redflesh compensated.
>
>On a slightly different angle, Gilliflower, comes from the French word 
>girofle, which means "a clove" - as the Cornish Gilliflower supposedly 
>smells like cloves when it's cut open. I haven't had the chance to find
>out, 
>since the deer swiped all my first crop of fruit off the tree before it 
>could mature. ( This was before I discovered Plantskydd. ) Beyond that,
>I'm 
>not sure how the Gilliflower part of the name was transfered to the
>Black 
>Gilliflower, since I haven't smelled anything clove-like when cutting
>into a 
>Black Gilliflower. Same as for the Winter Banana.
>
>Do these scents attributed to certain apples become stronger, or even 
>evident, when grown in different conditions. Does anyone know about
>this?
>
>Cheers, Bizmark
>Creemore,  Zone 5
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Bruce Hansen" brucedhansen@sbcglobal.net>
>To: breen@fedcoseeds.com>; "North American Fruit Explorers" 
>nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:49 PM
>Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Red Delicious/sheepnose/shape on end
>
>
>> Heron:
>>
>> I have a Black Giliflower and agree with your assessment. I also find 
>> the apple to have a unique flavor and wonder if you know any folk who 
>> have tried mixing it in culinary uses like apple sauce or as a 
>> blending apple in cyder.
>>
>> Bruce
>
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