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[kathryn stout <kathrynwrites@yahoo.com>]

I got a Liberty on Geneva 30 rootstock for the express
purpose of creating a multiple graft tree. I told Jim
Cummins of Cummins Nursery that was what I want to do.
He recommended the G-30 rootstock as virus resistant.
There are places like the scion wood repository in
Washington State that certify their scion wood as
virus free, but with a virus resistant rootstock I am
not limited to using certified virus-free scionwood.
At least that is my understanding of what Jim Cummins
told me. Is that right?
I for one do not have the space to plant more than one
apple tree, so this is the only way I can have
multiple varieties--just to have a branch of each, a
few apples each would be great for me--to try what I
can't buy.
But I won't offer anyone else scion wood, from my
multiple graft tree (assuming this works and the
grafts take) if there's possibility it could spread
viruses.

Kathryn
Zone 5







--- list@ginda.us wrote:
> I expect you're right.  Nonetheless, I don't regret
> doing it.  I had 
> fun grafting.  I got most of my grafts to "take". 
> And on the other 
> tree, I appear to have 5 healthy apple cultivars on
> a healthy tree.  
> That's five more cultivars than I would have had
> room to plant on their 
> own roots.  I'm not looking for grat production from
> them, just the 
> chance to taste fresh some unusual apples that can't
> be purchased 
> locally.  If I get fruits within a few years, it
> will definitely have 
> been worthwhile.  And the dead crab left behind a
> place to put an 
> eating apple.  (And if that one dies of replant
> problems, I suppose I 
> can always add a lilac or something.)
> 
> Ginda
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 16, 2003, at 11:42  PM, Lon J.
> Rombough wrote:
> 
> >    It's very likely that one or more of the
> varieties you grafted on 
> > the crab was a symptomless carrier of virus.
>   There are viruses that 
> > have little or no effect on cultivated apples, but
> will attack a 
> > number of species of crab apples, causing the
> death of the tree.  If 
> > you peel the bark off the crab apple, you may find
> that the wood is 
> > pitted, while the wood of the scion is not.
> >    I've gotten letters from NAFEX members that
> were pretty irate about 
> > multiple graft trees as a cause of spreading
> virus, with some who left 
> > the group because they didn't want to be part of
> it, or even because 
> > they got virus infected material from someone with
> a multiple variety 
> > tree.  It's much better to graft one variety per
> dwarf rootstock than 
> > a collection on a single large tree.  I have a
> multiple graft tree for 
> > my own enjoyment, but I also have the important
> varieties on 
> > individual stocks if I share scionwood.  And there
> ARE signs of virus 
> > in my big tree - apple mosaic and burr knots -
> which don't show up on 
> > the individual trees.  I destroy all the wood from
> the big tree.
> > -Lon Rombough
> >
> >    
> >
> > Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape
> Grower, at 
> > http://www.bunchgrapes.com
> >
> > From: list@ginda.us
> >
> > Reply-To: North American Fruit Explorers
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:38:29 -0400
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] multiple apple cultivars on
> one tree?
> >
> >
> > I grafted a bunch of varieties onto two crab
> apples.  One of them had
> > some leaves that were oddly shaped after that.  It
> may have had them
> > before I grafted for all I know - I hadn't looked
> at it too closely.  
> > But I did worry if I might have given it a virus.
>  Two years ago we had
> > a serious summer drought, and that tree nearly
> died.  It finished dying
> > last year (in more dry weather, although I watered
> it.)  The other crab
> > did fine, and I haven't seen any other dead or
> dying apples around
> > town.  So I think it's likely that something from
> the multiple grafts
> > weakened the crab.   Whether that was a virus, or
> some kind of
> > incompatibility, or just that there were "holes"
> in its skin where the
> > grafts hadn't fully healed, I couldn't say.  I do
> know that if I'd just
> > pruned it and not put on the extra wood, it would
> have been minor
> > pruning.  (That is, I didn't chop off much of the
> tree to graft it.)
> >
> > I was very careful to graft each type of scion
> onto only one of the two
> > crabs, and to wash all my tools carefully between
> trees.  So a virus
> > transmitted to one would likely have missed the
> other.
> >
> > The other crab is looking very happy right now,
> with 5 different
> > cultivars grafted to it.  Interestingly, the crab
> twigs have tiny
> > leaves showing, and the grafted twigs just have
> swelling buds.  I don't
> > know if that's because the crab is naturally
> earlier or if its because
> > of some compatibility thing.  But some of the
> grafts look like they
> > might flwoer this year, which would be very
> exciting for me.
> >
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Thanks Doreen!,
I will be sending out refunds to all those who ordered from me for delivery 
this year. Although I have lost sales and been set back in my business I am 
not only ecstatic about being alive but also about having a healthy brain. 
(During a phase where I was in and out of concsiousness and for about two 
days afterwards I was terrified that my brain, which wasn't working 
properly, had been damaged permanently, but I was reassured that no 'grey 
matter' had been cut or pierced, and now I am fine and have been told that 
I will be none the worse except for a hole in my skull covered by a metal 
plate.).
Once in a while we need to have our values adjusted I guess, to be reminded 
about what is important in life:  health, the love of family members, and 
friends.
And the importance of wearing a bike helmet! I can no longer think of any 
valid excuses for not wearing one, if you have loved ones who think they do 
let me know and I'll try to set them straight.
Kevin B