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[Claude Jolicoeur <cjoli@gmc.ulaval.ca>]

John,
In France, Reine Claude's are to plums what Reinettes are to apples. They actually are families, with numerous strains and local varieties, many unknown outside their region of origin. Some however have been propagated to a larger extent and exported.

The Reine Claude plums are generally round, rather small, very sweet, tasty and perfumed. Color varies between green to golden, sometimes with a red blush, with a few exceptions. I would not give much credit to the picture of Reine Claude de Bavay from the internet site you mentioned - pictures of it in French literature show it to be green-yellow with some red.

Some of the better known varieties of Reine Claude's are: 
Reine Claude dorée, or Reine Claude verte, known in America as Green Gage. It is the original Reine Claude, named after the wife of Francois the First. 
Reine Claude de Bavay, d'Oullins, de Montmorency, de Chambourcy, Comte d'Althan, d'Ecully, Imperiale, Diaphane, Hative, Tardive, Violette... to name just a few. Those known in America would have the name Gage to it

So, to answer more specifically to your question, for Reine Claude dorée (or verte), look for Green Gage (which is well known in America), and for Reine Claude d'Althan, you should look for Comte d'Althan Gage or something similar - but I have never seen that one in this continent.

Among those that I am aware of havind been imported are Reine Claude de Montmorency (known in Quebec), de Bavay, Violette (in Quebec), Impériale (Imperial Gage).

Hope this helps...

Claude Jolicoeur, Quebec.


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> I recently decided to add a few Bavay's Green Gage plums to the farm and found them to be readily available through a number of nurseries here in the US.  A few places also carried them under the French name Reine Claude de Bavay.  In the process of reading about this plum, I discovered there are two related strains, differing mostly by color I believe, that don't seem to be available anywhere in the US.  I'm probably wrong about their availability, but have hit a wall because I only know their French names:  Reine Claude Dorée and Reine Claude d'Althan.  There very well may be more common English names for these other two but I have no idea what they might be.  Are there any plums aficionados on the list who may know the English names or and/or know a source for these other two plums? When I searched on Google I've found these plums to be quite available through Europe, but specifically by their French names.  I can't help but think they've got to be available somewhere in the States.
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> Are three of these plums are quite beautiful.  You'll find images of them here:
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Ginda, I had a similar experience.  I tried to grow Alpine Strawberries in New Jersey and they were nothing like the ones in the Alps. I believe that the growing conditions, climate, etc. have a big influence on the taste of strawberries.  The strawberries I grew here which I brought with me from New Jersey don't taste like they did up there.  The commercial berries grown here are beautiful and very large but they are missing the flavor and sweetness of  the strawberries I have tasted elsewhere. I honestly believe that you have to get a variety for your particular locale which, regardless of variety, will produce a satisfactory berry. Blueberries which produced large, succulent and delicious berries in NJ just won't make it here.  I had to switch to the local rabbiteyes. The Northern bushes survive but just don't produce the same berries. I had heard this, but had to give them the old college try. Same thing with plums. I can forget the Japanese types here. They did great there. The most forgiving of all my fruits are the Japanese pears and persimmons. Just different insects. I've just about given up on re-writing the book on planting things out of certain areas for some fruits and vegetables. "It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts." B.J. Palmer, DC Doc Lisenby Zone 7/8


































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