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  • From: "Pete B" <pete@cmpsource.com>
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  • Subject: [NAFEX] feijoa
  • Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:06:43 -0600

Hi
My feijoa have seen 18 F with no problem. I hear 0 F could be the lower limit for them.
Pete zone 8b LA
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Cherry plums (Helga and Bert Dunn)
   2. Minor fruit options--Small trees; Viburnum exploring (Moyer, Richard)
   3. Geneva 16 (Mike Levine)
   4. Re: Geneva 16 (Dr. Ethan Natelson)
   5. feijoa in TN? (buretachi@juno.com)
   6. Re: Minor fruit options--Small trees; Viburnum exploring (rob hamilton)
   7. RE: feijoa in TN? (jamie)

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Message: 1
From: "Helga and Bert Dunn" <helbert@idirect.com>
To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:43:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cherry plums
Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org

Hello Tom
Not much help now, however Siloam Nursery will have stock matured in 2 years
.. They're east of Newmarket             Bert

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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cherry plums


> Hi,
>
> It is finding someone willing to ship bare root stock in Canada.  The only
> source I found wanted to ship a potted plant.  A little pricy to pay more
> for shipping dirt, than the plant itself.
>
> No luck in rooting cuttings from the Genebank either.
>
> Still looking for a local or bare root source.
>
> Later,
> Tom



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Message: 2
From: "Moyer, Richard" <ramoyer@king.edu>
To: "'nafex@lists.ibiblio.org'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:40:19 -0500
Subject: [NAFEX] Minor fruit options--Small trees; Viburnum exploring
Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org

Robert wrote:
"I have each of these too, though I guess I can get
more.  I have the Aronia too, but ones I got last summer
tasted like a raw coffie bean.   I was not pleased.  I will give it another
year so I
will have enough to do something with."

Robert,
You may wait a long time for pleasant tasting raw aronia berries.  Others
have placed aronia in the category of "flavor improves with cooking"; I'd
put most black currants in there as well.  As noted before, we use a few
aronia berries in with white grapes while juicing, for better color and
antioxidant levels.

Now that you have a variety of bush fruits in, have your included these
small tree options?
Viburnum:  The local wild ones are pretty good in Nov, but insipid later.
Adam Turtle mentioned a PA grower who had selected ones for better flavor.
Any Fruit Explorers out there with superior nannyberry selections?
Jujube:  Small tree, some forms columnar.  Striking shiny foliage, drought
resistance.
Elderberry: improves with cooking
Cornus mas: outstanding ornamental, striking fruits, good fresh if ripe
enough, or cooked
Yellowhorn: nice bloom and foliage, has trouble bearing?? in the east??
Kaki persimmons (dwarf):  Another fine ornamental
Mayhaw: may need to be sprayed for rust
Hovenia dulcis:  small to med tree, nice leaves
Poncirus trifoliata:  some forms with reduced bitterness available

Anyone else with other recommendations in the small tree fruit category?


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:15:30 -0500
From: Mike Levine <mlevine@umich.edu>
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [NAFEX] Geneva 16
Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org

I've been poring over catalogs trying to figure out this year's order and
just when I thought I would order trees on Bud 9 my friend suggested that
Geneva 16 might be a superior rootstock.  Any thoughts on this?

Mike Levine
Ann Arbor, MI
zone 5b



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Message: 4
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
From: "Dr. Ethan Natelson" <natelson@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Geneva 16
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 07:31:20 -0500
Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org

Dear Mike,

     In the lead article of the most recent edition of Compact Fruit Tree,
the publication of the International Dwarf Fruit Tree Association, the
authors indicate the advantages of G-16 over M 9 are better fireblight
resistance and slightly better yield.  The downside is the extreme
sensitivity to latent viruses in the grafted scion which can abruptly kill
the tree.  I have had that happen here in Houston.  Thus, grafted wood must
be virus free.  They also claim that it is not yet clear if G-16 is cold hardy.

                                  Regards, Ethan

At 12:15 AM 1/11/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I've been poring over catalogs trying to figure out this year's order and
>just when I thought I would order trees on Bud 9 my friend suggested that
>Geneva 16 might be a superior rootstock.  Any thoughts on this?
>
>Mike Levine
>Ann Arbor, MI
>zone 5b
>
>
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Message: 5
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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:40:21 EST
From: buretachi@juno.com
Subject: [NAFEX] feijoa in TN?
Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org

Hector,

How cold of a freeze have your feijoa survived?  How old are they and
have they ever flowered or fruited?   We saw some growing as a hedge at
the Norfolk Botanical Garden--beautiful.  I have some small potted plants
that i might eventually try putting outside here in PA zone 6 in a
sheltered location.


Scott

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 07:40:57 -0800 (PST)
From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Minor fruit options--Small trees; Viburnum exploring
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org



--- "Moyer, Richard" <ramoyer@king.edu> wrote:
> You may have to wait along time for pleasant tasting
raw
> aronia berries.  Others
> have placed aronia in the category of "flavor
> improves with cooking"; I'd
> put most black currants in there as well.  As noted
> before, we use a few
> aronia berries in with white grapes while juicing,
> for better color and
> antioxidant levels.

I got a few Crandells too. I hope they turn out a
little better than the Aronia.
Once I get a few Aronia berries in quantity, I will
experiment a bit.
 
> Now that you have a variety of bush fruits in, have
> your included these
> small tree options?
> Viburnum:  The local wild ones are pretty good in
> Nov, but insipid later.
> Adam Turtle mentioned a PA grower who had selected
> ones for better flavor.

I dont know about these. You got any other details?

> Any Fruit Explorers out there with superior
> nannyberry selections?



> Jujube:  Small tree, some forms columnar.  Striking
> shiny foliage, drought
> resistance.


I have two of these. "Ling" and "Li" I may get few
more.
This is one of my favorite looking trees. I want to
get the
"So" contorted variety just for an ornamental.


> Elderberry: improves with cooking

I made pie with some last week. Its not that bad, kind
of seedy though.
Your right about calling it small tree. The canes get
quite large.

> Cornus mas: outstanding ornamental, striking fruits,
> good fresh if ripe
> enough, or cooked

I got two small ones. I have yet to get any fruit. I
hope to see some this year.
I also have Corus Kousa. I tasted an unnamed variety I
saw in the city a while back.
It was kinda mealy, but not that bad. Very pretty
tree, so I thought I would give it try.

> Yellowhorn: nice bloom and foliage, has trouble
> bearing?? in the east??

I have one samll one, but I have not got any nuts.
I think it will take while. I am told the nuts are not
thar special though.

> Kaki persimmons (dwarf):  Another fine ornamental

Oh yes! I love persimmons. Fellow member Lester Davis
has got me hooked.
I plan to have five.

> Mayhaw: may need to be sprayed for rust

I'm not a jelly/jam person, but I told its nice in
other things too.
Does anyone else do anything with Mayhaw?

> Hovenia dulcis:  small to med tree, nice leaves

I got a few of these too. I am very curious about
these.
I find the fruit very tasty, but I am not sure what to
with them.
I assume you can use them like raisins, but  I keep
reading about a drink
called "tree honey" that is made from it, But I havent
found a recipe for it.


> Poncirus trifoliata:  some forms with reduced
> bitterness available

I got a number of these in pots. The Thomasville
Citragequat is one I hear
is especially good for my area, and the fruit is not
that bad out of hand.
I am going to try some kumquats too, but those I may
have to protect.

>
> Anyone else with other recommendations in the small
> tree fruit category?
 
Well, a friend of mind have a dwarf loquat that he is
trying to get some fruit out of
the trouble is that the fruits in the winter. I am
looking for a variety that will
escape the cold, but I am not having much luck. There
are some breeding
programs in China that may have some varieties that
might work.
I need to go up to Univ of Georgia to track down this
article that was
written one of the pricey horticultural periodicals
about some new hardy Loquat cultivars.

    
I wonder if one could limb-up a chinquapin chestnut or
a small filbert to a small tree?

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Message: 7
From: "jamie" <jamie@tiscali.fr>
To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] feijoa in TN?
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:57:07 +0100
Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org

Hello all, I've been following the discussion for a month or more now,
enjoying hearing about the many fruits and trees I've never even heard of
before. I plan an orchard of roughly half an acre and then I hope another of
2 acres or more in the years to come. In researching the varieties for my
climate I've become confused about hardiness, why are there just so many
varied temperatures for a single species. Having recently been reading about
figs (Ficus carica) I discovered they're only hardy to -4C, yet they've been
growing well this year with no apparent damage from last winter when
temperatures were -8C! (young and mature trees alike).

Is there an established source for reliable data (preferably available on
the web) or are there just too many factors controlling hardiness for a
reliable figure to be given?

Looking forward to your responses and learning more over the coming months
(and years).

Jamie
Souscayrous

Near the Mediterranean coast of Southern France, USDA zone 8. (I know, not
really North American at all).
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Sent: samedi 11 janvier 2003 14:40
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [NAFEX] feijoa in TN?

Hector,

How cold of a freeze have your feijoa survived?  How old are they and
have they ever flowered or fruited?   We saw some growing as a hedge at
the Norfolk Botanical Garden--beautiful.  I have some small potted plants
that i might eventually try putting outside here in PA zone 6 in a
sheltered location.


Scott
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