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  • From: "Paul" <pfleming@nwlink.com>
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  • Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:08:52 -0800

A few months ago we had a discussion about first responders and accidents
involving horses and large animals. Several people offered to send their
training guidance and SOPs when I was ready for them. Well I finally have the
time to put some serious effort into the project. My request is for any type
of documentation, guidance or advice on the type of training, operating
procedures, equipment requirements. I would also like to know a little about
the organizations that respond with the expertise. Are they Fire Dept,
Sheriff Posse folks or Humane Society. Are they a specialized team or
selected individuals from various organizations who respond as a team.
Anything you have to contribute would be most welcome. I have found a fair
amount of information on the web, but I am sure I haven't seen it all. Please
send url info if you have some.


Thanks in advance.

Paul Fleming
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I think you have to redefine "first responder". At a vehicle accident or a
farm accident the first due will be the local police, fire, and EMS. Second
due will be any specialized resources called by the first on scene. Large
Animal Rescue Teams (LART) are usually second due or may be on automatic
dispatch with the first due responders. Priority one will be people, then
the animals.

To avoid the 9MM solution most jurisdictions have a vet on call if the owner
does not. In NJ each 9-1-1 center is supposed to have an agreement for a vet
to respond on-scene without a guarantee from the owner for payment. This
happened because a state trooper was about to shoot a racehorse when the
owner intervened. However, this is a non-emergency response so it may take
some time for the vet to show up.

The optimum response is by persons who know how to handle the animals and
can advise the fire rescue personnel in how to attach the rigging to the
animal. These persons should be part of an emergency response organization
so they can be dispatched by the EOC or 9-1-1 center and get there in a
reasonable amount of time. The response may only have to be one or two
advisors as opposed to a large number of riggers. Also needed will be cranes
or other devices capable of lifting the weight of the animal, which will
exceed the 1000 pound limit on the stoutest aerial device the fire
department can bring to the scene. Depending on the size of the response
area and the number of calls the risk assessment will determine the need.

This is probably a good function for MSAR personnel. They know animals, they
are trained to respond when called, and usually are scattered about the
jurisdiction so somebody will be available and close. SE PA SAR is planning
to make LART an organization function. You should also realize that there
are practice laws and local preferences as to how to handle each problem. In
NJ the training emphasizes getting in the trailer and folding and hog tying
the horse so you can pull it out by the tail. In Pennsylvania the horse
trailer extrication program emphasizes removing the trailer from the horse,
just like we do with people. The difference? In NJ the vet is supposed to
arrive, drug the horse so it won't kill him in panic, and save the need for
using cutting tools and destroying the trailer. In PA there may not be a
vet, and we like cutting up vehicles, particularly since if we have to cut a
trailer it is probably totaled anyway. We feel it is safer for a rescuer who
may encounter one horse trailer incident in a lifetime not to be in contact
with the trapped horse. He can use his hydraulic tools, rams, jacks, saws
from outside the trailer and unfold it from the horse safely. Then the LART
can move in with advice on slings, slides, and transportation.

The best training is provided by the US Rider sponsored seminars by the Drs.
Gimenez and the Code 3 organization. We are expecting a Gimenez class
locally (SE PA) by the end of July. They are usually tuition free but
require 3 days on site.

Irv Lichtenstein

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A few months ago we had a discussion about first responders and accidents
involving horses and large animals. Several people offered to send their
training guidance and SOPs when I was ready for them. Well I finally have
the time to put some serious effort into the project. My request is for any
type of documentation, guidance or advice on the type of training, operating
procedures, equipment requirements. I would also like to know a little about
the organizations that respond with the expertise. Are they Fire Dept,
Sheriff Posse folks or Humane Society. Are they a specialized team or
selected individuals from various organizations who respond as a team.
Anything you have to contribute would be most welcome. I have found a fair
amount of information on the web, but I am sure I haven't seen it all.
Please send url info if you have some.


Thanks in advance.

Paul Fleming
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