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  • From: Gary Scott <twinspringsfarmva AT gmail.com>
  • To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Market-farming Digest, Vol 88, Issue 53
  • Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:51:10 -0700

Bradley,

Neem oil is by far the best, non toxic to beneficials; you also need to get a Lady Bug population going, you can purchase them from Arbigo (sp?) Lace Wings also feed on Aphids are also protected by ant colonies, because the ants want the juice that the Aphids release from the plant tissue.

Gary Scott
Twin Springs Farm, VA

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Canopy (waldenfarm)
  2. another wilting question (KAKerby AT aol.com)
  3. aphids in a greenhouse (info AT samishheirloomsfarm.com)
  4. Re: Canopy (sora AT coldreams.com)
  5. Re: aphids in a greenhouse (sunmoonriver AT windstream.net)
  6. Re: aphids in a greenhouse (Garth & Kim Travis)
  7. Re: another wilting question (SaladG AT aol.com)
  8. Re: aphids in a greenhouse (Shawnee Flowerfarmer)
  9. Re: another wilting question (Marcy)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:22:33 -0400
From: "waldenfarm" <waldenfarm AT bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Canopy
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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 I bought an EZ-Up Sierra II from Academy this year. It cost me $50. The
same model at other stores and on the internet ranged from $80-140. So far,
so good.

Alex

> Leslie Moyer wrote:
>> I need to buy a canopy for the market.  E-Z Up is what most vendors
>> around here have.....mostly because it's accessible locally, I think.
>> But they get *really* bad reviews on Amazon.com and I've never really
>> seen one that operates well after a few uses.  I already know not to go
>> with the cheapest model, but most here seem to have the second-cheapest
>> model and after that, they scale up in price pretty quickly.  Any
>> thoughts?  Other suggested brands?



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:31:22 EDT
From: KAKerby AT aol.com
Subject: [Market-farming] another wilting question
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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I had an interesting conversation with someone yesterday at market who
claimed that the harvesting implement can have a big impact on what wilts and
what doesn't.  I got to thinking about his comments and they at least sound
plausible so I thought I'd run them by the group and see what y'all think.

His theory is that any cutting device which shears or cuts the stem (for
instance, a straight knife or bypass shears like scissors) will tear so much
tissue that the leaf will essentially bleed out from the stem.  However, if
 the stem is pinched or crushed before being cut (for instance, with snips
where one straight blade "bottoms out" on a flat plate), then the stem's
vein tissues are compressed and the "bleedout" is much reduced, leading to
less  wilt.

Seemed a far-fetched idea when I first heard it but then upon further
reflection that actually made sense.  I've always used standard bypass  shears
with a curved blade, and I do get frustrated sometimes with the "tear" I  see
occurring if I don't cut just right.  And sometimes I'll notice  that my
lettuce plants bleed after I remove a leaf.  I'm using  cut-and-come-again
harvesting so preserving both the leaf and the parent plant  is important.
Anyone else ever take the time to look at this aspect of  things and try
different methods?

I know temps and humidity are also an issue but I've had wilt problems when
 the air temp was in the 40's and humidity was right up there.  So there
must be some other variable in that "wilt equation".  Comments?
Kathryn  Kerby
frogchorusfarm.com
Snohomish, WA
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:51:11 -0700
From: "info AT samishheirloomsfarm.com" <info AT samishheirloomsfarm.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] aphids in a greenhouse
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Can anyone give me advice on combatting aphids in a greenhouse?  I can't seem to get rid of them, only keep the population down with insecticidal soap.

Bradley Smith
Samish Heirlooms Farm
Prairie, WA
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:50:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: sora AT coldreams.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Canopy
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>
> I need to buy a canopy for the market.  E-Z Up is what most vendors
> around here have.....mostly because it's accessible locally, I think.
> But they get *really* bad reviews on Amazon.com

I've had good luck with the First Up also.  It got a bit funky after 4
years of intensive use and I just replaced it with a commercial grade
Quick Shade that I found on the Walmart website for $138 with shipping.
I've only set it up twice but it seems very sturdy and easy to set up with
2 people.
Warning.....if you have winds at all at your market make sure whatever
canopy you get has some sort of vent.  We've seen several at our market
without that turn into parasails in the wind no matter how many strong men
are holding them down.....  Sora at Paradise Valley Organics N. Id. where
we've had 26 degrees for 6 nights now....sigh



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:20:51 +0000
From: sunmoonriver AT windstream.net
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] aphids in a greenhouse
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Lady Bugs/Asian Pumpkin Beetles, Lacewings....human fingers!

Courtney
Herb Thyme
Middlefield, Oh
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:51:11
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Subject: [Market-farming] aphids in a greenhouse

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:20:09 -0500
From: Garth & Kim Travis <gartht AT txcyber.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] aphids in a greenhouse
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Greetings,
We release lady bugs into our greenhouses on occasion.  That solves our
problems.
Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas

info AT samishheirloomsfarm.com wrote:
> Can anyone give me advice on combatting aphids in a greenhouse?  I can't
> seem to get rid of them, only keep the population down with insecticidal
> soap.
>
> Bradley Smith
> Samish Heirlooms Farm
> Prairie, WA
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 EDT
From: SaladG AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] another wilting question
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We have cut lettuce for about 20 years with scissors and really  have  no
problem with wilt.  Within 15 to 20 minutes of cutting the greens  they are
put in cold water and stay's in that cold water until it  we  get time to
spin and bag in 5# bags and put in cooler at 36 degree's.   We keep the green's
under our tables that are always shady and very seldom have  I ever had any
green's get wilty.  I feel getting the field heat out of the  product's is
what keep's it from getting wilt and most of our customers can get  about 10
days from our greens

Phil from Iowa.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:49:59 -0500
From: Shawnee Flowerfarmer <farmingflowers AT hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] aphids in a greenhouse
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 ....You will never get rid of aphids completely.  You can only design integrated pest management strategies to control them seasonally.  The lady bugs suggested below do work, but then you also have to stop the insecticidal soap spray.  Just another fun dilemma in the greenhouse that you dreamed about having someday..  Even when I don't actually see aphids, I know they're hiding out somewhere.  Observation and vigilance are important.
Shawnee, zone 5

Can anyone give me advice on combating aphids in a greenhouse?  I
can't
> > seem to get rid of them, only keep the population
down with insecticidal
> > soap.

>
> Greetings,
> We release lady bugs into our greenhouses on occasion.  That solves our
> problems.
> Bright Blessings,
> Garth & Kim Travis
> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> Bedias, Texas
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:57:54 -0600
From: "Marcy" <mlynnn AT wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] another wilting question
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That's pretty interesting. I'll have to ponder and experiment.

But it reminds me of fixing salad growing up - my mother always wanted us to
TEAR the lettuce & greens, not chop/cut them.

I wonder if it's connected?  I always thought it was to avoid the "browning"
edges.

Marcy



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His theory is that any cutting device which shears or cuts the stem (for
instance, a straight knife or bypass shears like scissors) will tear so much
tissue that the leaf will essentially bleed out from the stem.  However, if
the stem is pinched or crushed before being cut (for instance, with snips
where one straight blade "bottoms out" on a flat plate), then the stem's
vein tissues are compressed and the "bleedout" is much reduced, leading to
less wilt.





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