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  • From: "Kathy Somers" <somersfarm AT dishmail.net>
  • To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] ecoli
  • Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:13:58 -0500

I don't know if this helps with this conversation, but if you obtain manure from a grass based diet fed farm, there won't be issues of E. Coli. Animals that are fed strictly a grass based diet, even with supplimentation of grain for the purpose of growth or making milk, will not have the concentrations of E. Coli that are being discussed. Animals raised in Feed Lots where they are fed mainly Corn Silage and heavy amounts of grain with little or no hay or fresh pasture to eat will most always have E. Coli present in their manure.
We have a dairy farm, our cows receive a total grass diet all 4 seasons of the year with a supplimentation of grain and we spread manure on our gardens in the fall...it sits all winter long and that is all the fertilizer we use. E. Coli can only live in a certain amount of acidity and that is what a heavy Corn/Grain based diet produces..lots of acidic conditions that the E. Coli thrive on.
I have not read all of the emails attached to this conversation so if I am off base and what I have said does not pertain to this conversation than please forgive me for jumping in. This information is also a big plus for any who raise grass fed Beef Cows for meat sales.
Kathy
Vermont
----- Original Message ----- From: "mamica5" <mamica5 AT sssnet.com>
To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] ecoli


Just to clarify a little, are we talking 210 days for E. Coli after it
leaves the digestive tract of mammals? I do not knowingly use manure less
than a year old. However, our bottomland vegetable production is in a flood
plain subject to winter and early spring flooding. It seems that you are
suggesting that growing there might not be safe.

Nevertheless..it is amazing that he human race is still around considering
all the varmints wandering through our vegetable patches.


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[mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Meredith
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:50 AM
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [Market-farming] ecoli



S, then, composting gets rid of the ecoli, which is perhaps a better proces
to use anyway( ups soil microbes)?
Michael


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 21:11:47 EST
From: KAKerby AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] ecoli
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Just to be clear, we're not talking about compost. We're talking about
direct manure application to the land, and/or rotating animals on/off of
crop
growing grounds, and/or having irrigation water moving from livestock areas
to growing areas. Compost treatment protocols have NOT changed.
Kathryn Kerby
Frog Chorus Farm
Snohomish, WA


In a message dated 3/2/2010 5:49:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
meredith848 AT yahoo.com writes:

I have always been led to believe that proper composting, with the high
temperatures involved, will eliminate virtually all pathogens ( then , just

bury the stuff, so it is not on the surface, just to be sure...).
Michael
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