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  • From: "sue roseman" <swissy AT socket.net>
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  • Subject: [Market-farming] Baker's Creek
  • Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:12:43 -0500

I have used Bakers Creek for many yrs since it 1st began. I think their quality of seed has kept getting better all the time. They are very responsible in growing non-gmo and unusal seed varities. I have had no problems with their seed or any of my orders. Hope this helps.
Sue
zone 5 in Missouri
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Monsanto Boycott - Bartering (Wyatt Jones)
2. Re: (no subject) (Road's End Farm)
3. Re: Monsanto Boycott (MAsteveINE)
4. Re: HighMowing and Baker Creek (Road's End Farm)
5. Re: saving, growing, selling seed (Road's End Farm)
6. Re: Monsanto Boycott (growbd AT aol.com)
7. Re: HighMowing and Baker Creek (growbd AT aol.com)
8. Re: Monsanto Boycott (Road's End Farm)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 18:47:54 -0400
From: "Wyatt Jones" <wyatt_jones AT netzero.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Monsanto Boycott - Bartering
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How does bartering fit into the legal scheme of things concerning seed? I know its a kind of grey area in respect to other issues. I don't know how it would work in our money and greed economy but it seems worth a thought given the present environment. It would certainly take some sort of extensive network to work properly that would most likely be impractical but creative thinking can sometimes perform miracles LOL. I imagine that bridge has been closed or would be closed soon would something like this actually work but I'm still curious.

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"There have been a number of seed companies disappear in recent years, mainly through corporate acquisitions. Of those who've remained, many simply serve as marketing channels for the remaining corporate seed companies. I noted in the list of varieties being dropped by Fedco that some were old varieties or public varieties that weren't always the property of Monsanto. Because they are not GMO's, there is no reason why you can't save seed for your own purpose. You couldn't sell the seed but you could grow them. Seed To Sow is a good book on the subject of saving seed."

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:26:21 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87 AT frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] (no subject)
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On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Bill Shoemaker wrote:

There have been a number of seed companies disappear in recent years,
mainly through corporate acquisitions. Of those who've remained, many
simply serve as marketing channels for the remaining corporate seed
companies. I noted in the list of varieties being dropped by Fedco
that some were old varieties or public varieties that weren't always
the property of Monsanto. Because they are not GMO's, there is no
reason why you can't save seed for your own purpose. You couldn't sell
the seed but you could grow them. Seed To Sow is a good book on the
subject of saving seed.

Some of those varieties I believe are not patented. Is there any reason
that seed from those couldn't be sold?

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:39:09 -0400
From: "MAsteveINE" <MAsteveINE AT 207ME.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Monsanto Boycott
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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ugh.


Deb

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So, if Monsanto bought Seminis what would be wrong with buying Marketmore
76 cucumber (and others) seeds from usual sources. I have no grudge with
Monsanto, in fact I appreciate them for developing glysophate and taking
tons of heavier chemicals out of the system. If it is a matter of being wee
weed about GMO I can understand that but I fail to see how doing without the
good developments of Semenis is going to help my bottom line.

MAsteveINE




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:51:00 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87 AT frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] HighMowing and Baker Creek
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Sep 6, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Flying S Farms wrote:

We primarily use both of these companies for our seeds. Do?not know
their seed sources. Have met representative of HighMowing at trade
shows and very pleased with discussions we've had with them. We've
never had a bad experience with anything we've purchased and service
has been great for us.

Baker Creek seems to have a good reputation. I have ordered from them a
couple of times, but the varieties I ordered didn't do well here;
however, my climate and probably soils are considerably different from
theirs, so I think that's probably what the problem was. -- I believe
that their catalogue says that they do not buy from Seminis / Monsanto.
They carry a lot of unusual varieties that don't show up in the rest of
my (considerable) seed catalogue pile.

I order from High Mowing every year; and have been generally pleased,
except in 2007 when their service for some reason went entirely wonky.
It was fine every year before that, and has been OK since then, so I
think that whatever the problem was they have found it and fixed it.
Most of their varieties have done well for me, though not all. They
also have some varieties not found elsewhere; their selection is still
limited, but is larger each year. All of their seed is certified
organic, and they grow some of it themselves. Their catalogue states
that they work with a network of seed farmers, some of whom they have
trained to grow seed for them; and also do buy some from wholesale seed
companies. I doubt that they buy from Monsanto; they are strong
anti-GMO activists and also activists for local food systems; but you
could ask them.


-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:54:52 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87 AT frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] saving, growing, selling seed
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Apologies to all for not adjusting subject line -- here's this email
again with a better one:

On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Bill Shoemaker wrote:

There have been a number of seed companies disappear in recent years,
mainly through corporate acquisitions. Of those who've remained, many
simply serve as marketing channels for the remaining corporate seed
companies. I noted in the list of varieties being dropped by Fedco
that some were old varieties or public varieties that weren't always
the property of Monsanto. Because they are not GMO's, there is no
reason why you can't save seed for your own purpose. You couldn't sell
the seed but you could grow them. Seed To Sow is a good book on the
subject of saving seed.

Some of those varieties I believe are not patented. Is there any reason
that seed from those couldn't be sold?

-- oh yes, did you mean Seed to Seed by Suzanne Ashworth? That is
indeed a good book.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:16:49 -0400
From: growbd AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Monsanto Boycott
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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I have a different view of Monsanto; one that makes purchasing anything ?from them, even indirectly, sickening...a bit like shopping at WalMart.




Deb






-----Original Message-----
From: MAsteveINE <MAsteveINE AT 207ME.com>
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2009 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Monsanto Boycott










ugh.


Deb

]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

So, if Monsanto bought Seminis what would be wrong with buying Marketmore
76 cucumber (and others) seeds from usual sources. I have no grudge with
Monsanto, in fact I appreciate them for developing glysophate and taking
tons of heavier chemicals out of the system. If it is a matter of being wee
weed about GMO I can understand that but I fail to see how doing without the
good developments of Semenis is going to help my bottom line.

MAsteveINE


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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:22:25 -0400
From: growbd AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] HighMowing and Baker Creek
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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While not all the varieties I've tried have been great producers, I believe Seed Savers Exchange is worth supporting. ?Their mission is saving and sharing heirloom varieties. ?Each year I find a couple more to add to my list of favorites--for reasons of production, storage, appearance and/or flavor. ?Have had great luck especially with their beans, tomatoes and peppers.



http://www.seedsavers.org/




Deb


-----Original Message-----
From: Road's End Farm <organic87 AT frontiernet.net>
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2009 7:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] HighMowing and Baker Creek










On Sep 6, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Flying S Farms wrote:


<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><x-tad-smaller> We
primarily use both of these companies for our seeds. Do?not know their
seed sources. Have met representative of HighMowing at trade shows and
very pleased with discussions we've had with them. We've never had a
bad experience with anything we've purchased and service has been
great for us.</x-tad-smaller></fontfamily>

</excerpt>

Baker Creek seems to have a good reputation. I have ordered from them
a couple of times, but the varieties I ordered didn't do well here;
however, my climate and probably soils are considerably different from
theirs, so I think that's probably what the problem was. -- I believe
that their catalogue says that they do not buy from Seminis /
Monsanto. They carry a lot of unusual varieties that don't show up in
the rest of my (considerable) seed catalogue pile.


I order from High Mowing every year; and have been generally pleased,
except in 2007 when their service for some reason went entirely wonky.
It was fine every year before that, and has been OK since then, so I
think that whatever the problem was they have found it and fixed it.
Most of their varieties have done well for me, though not all. They
also have some varieties not found elsewhere; their selection is still
limited, but is larger each year. All of their seed is certified
organic, and they grow some of it themselves. Their catalogue states
that they work with a network of seed farmers, some of whom they have
trained to grow seed for them; and also do buy some from wholesale
seed companies. I doubt that they buy from Monsanto; they are strong
anti-GMO activists and also activists for local food systems; but you
could ask them.



<smaller>-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly

Fresh-market organic produce, small scale</smaller>=









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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 20:22:38 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87 AT frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Monsanto Boycott
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Sep 6, 2009, at 7:39 PM, MAsteveINE wrote:


So, if Monsanto bought Seminis what would be wrong with buying
Marketmore
76 cucumber (and others) seeds from usual sources. I have no grudge
with
Monsanto,

I think it is dangerous to have a very large proportion of the seed
production of the planet in the hands of any one company; and therefore
wise to act in such a fashion as to encourage decentralization.

We are most likely to be able to get seed suited to our very different
farms, growing practices, and marketplaces if there are a lot of small
seed producers. The increasing centralization of the seed production
industry into a few very large companies raises the very real risk that
they will not want to bother continuing to produce seed for relatively
small markets.

Monsanto is the company that most often gets into the news for actively
discouraging seed saving and small scale seed distribution by
individual growers. I don't know whether other large seed production
companies have less of this attitude, or whether they are just less
likely to get into the news for it. I prefer, when possible, to buy
from companies that encourage small growers to be involved in seed
production and distribution. (This does, by the way, include Johnny's.)

I'm not sure what you mean by "from usual sources" in your email quoted
above -- a given variety may be carried by dozens of retail seed
companies, but all of it may be produced by the same production
company; if that company stops producing it, the variety will disappear
from all of those dozens of catalogues more or less at once (more or
less, because some may have seed in storage that they may continue to
sell for a couple of years). If Monsanto now owns all the production
facilities for Northstar pepper, then even if I buy it from Johnny's,
then I am also buying it from Monsanto; because that's who Johnny's had
to get it from. As Northstar is a hybrid, even if it isn't patented
nobody else is likely to be producing it, as no one else will have or
know the parent lines for the hybrid.

Balancing the needs of the particular farm against this sort of
consideration, especially in cases where a specific hybrid is the only
thing that does really well in that location, is a difficulty for many
growers. Of course it always makes me uneasy anyway when only one
variety is doing well for me in a category, if it's a hybrid or
something that for other reasons it's difficult to save my own seed
for; because my experience has been that varieties often disappear from
the market without warning; so in cases like that I'm always at least
trialing additional possibilities in the hope of finding a good backup.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
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