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  • From: "Nora Owens" <noraowens AT comcast.net>
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  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Market-farming Digest, Vol 61, Issue 27
  • Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:34:15 -0500

Re: voles in greenhouse
I have used the mole chasers that emit a high beeping noise and have gotten
rid of all of my voles. If you are not able to bury in the ground, you can
probably set them around. Although they are annoying when above ground, they
do the job.
Nora


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Today's Topics:

1. Introduction: Juniper Hill Organics (a h)
2. items for sale (Tom Circle)
3. Livestock pumpkins (Beth Spaugh)
4. Re: voles in the hoophouse (courtney mcleod)
5. Re: Livestock pumpkins (Robin Follette)
6. Re: Winter Greenhouse varieties for Indiana? (Robin Follette)
7. Re: Winter Greenhouse varieties for Indiana? (Sharon and Steve)
8. Re: Livestock pumpkins (Sharon and Steve)
9. Re: Livestock pumpkins (Sharon and Steve)
10. Re: Livestock pumpkins (sunnfarm AT netscape.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:37:49 -0500
From: "a h" <znowybird AT gmail.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] Introduction: Juniper Hill Organics
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Hello All,

I'm a small scale market grower in Westport, NY ( Lake Champlain Valley,
Adirondack Park). I currently produce on 2 acres but am always looking to
increase in size just a matter of increasing market demand as well as my
time. I unfortunately have not gotten to take this on full time and make
most of my income from various carpentry, welding/fabrication, and
woodworking jobs.

I produce for a few local customers but primarily for 3 small restaurants.
Alot of mesclun mixes and lettuce mixes.

I recently purchased a few greenhouses (21x70 and 15x48) looking to increase
my greens season as well as the tomato harvest.

I was once subscribed to this group and wanted to let you know i found it
extraordinarily helpful and thank you all in advance for you opinions and
comments.

thank you,

adam
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:10:35 -0600
From: "Tom Circle" <tcircle AT ckt.net>
Subject: [Market-farming] items for sale
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Hello, We have over 150 tomato cages for sale and also a few 50 ft. length
of soaker hose that we don't use any more. For info email tcircle AT ckt.net

Thanks,

Tom Circle...
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:09:33 -0500
From: "Beth Spaugh" <lists AT rhomestead.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] Livestock pumpkins
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Anyone have suggestions of pumpkins for poultry feed, warm zone 4 cool zone
5? Will be planting some sugar beets, lots of clover, excess turnip seed,
etc for chickens, ducks, geese. Looking to reduce winter feed bill. Pumpkin
growers around here grow Howden a lot, if that gives some season comparison.
Would like lots of tonnage but the individual pumpkins don't need to be
large. Thanks.

Beth Spaugh
Rehoboth Homestead
Peru NY
http://rhomestead.com

"How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." -
Wendell Berry

"Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Francis
Moore Lappe




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:19:08 -0500
From: "courtney mcleod" <sunmoonriver AT windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] voles in the hoophouse
To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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We have a great hunting cat.but I can't seem to get her to understand that
the raised beds in the greenhouse are not there for her to use for the
bathroom. She just does not get it! Love the idea though.but can't figure
out how to make her stop doing it so I don't let her in there anymore. In
fact, this January when the greenhouse was frozen.she followed us out there,
it was dark and freezing cold and just wanted to be with us I guess. Well,
I have not lights in this one so I had a flash light with me trying to fix
something. She was walking along the greenhouse on top of the tables I have
stored out there and the next thing I know, the bad kitty is on top of the
greenhouse. Then she could not get down because it was slippery so she used
her nails to slow her descent down. I would not pet her for days. I don't
think too much was damaged but won't know until spring when I can get a
better look. Still have no idea how she even got up there without tearing
holes in it. She can stay away from it for now IMO!!!



Courtney

Herb Thyme

Middlefield, Oh



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[mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Shoemaker
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:47 AM
To: Market Farming
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] voles in the hoophouse



I've had a few growers tell me they use cats to keep rodent populations down
in tunnels.



Bill Shoemaker, Sr Research Specialist, Food Crops
University of Illinois - St Charles Horticulture Research Center
www.nres.uiuc.edu/faculty/directory/shoemaker_wh.html





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From: courtney <mailto:sunmoonriver AT windstream.net> mcleod

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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:29 AM

Subject: [Market-farming] voles in the hoophouse



I had asked this awhile back and the best suggestion given and agreed on was
trapping the critters. Eliot Coleman does this also I think I read in his
book years ago.



Courtney

Herb Thyme

Middlefield, Oh









Does anybody have suggestions for getting rid of an infestation of voles in
a hoophouse?



I think I remember somebody on this list talk about making a trap with a mix
of oatmeal and molasses in a bucket, with a ramp from the ground to the lip
of the bucket. I think the idea was that the critters would go up the ramp,
jump into the bucket to get to the goo and then find themselves trapped,
with no alternative but to eat their way into vole heaven as they sank in
the muck.



Does anybody remember this, or have any other suggestions?



Dave in West Virginia




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:33:47 -0500
From: "Robin Follette" <lists AT seasonseatingsfarm.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Livestock pumpkins
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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I have about June 1 to September 15 for frost free days. Cinderella does
well for me. It stores well and the livestock liked it. Lumina is another
good keeper.

USDA Zone doesn't matter. That only tells us the average coldest temp each
year, hopefully in winter and not during pumpkin growing season. Some years

I kind of wonder though. =)

Robin Follette
Seasons Eatings Farm
Talmadge, ME
www.seasonseatingsfarm.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Spaugh" <lists AT rhomestead.com>
To: <APPPAplus AT yahoogroups.com>; "'Market Farming'"
<market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: [Market-farming] Livestock pumpkins


> Anyone have suggestions of pumpkins for poultry feed, warm zone 4 cool
> zone
> 5? Will be planting some sugar beets, lots of clover, excess turnip seed,
> etc for chickens, ducks, geese. Looking to reduce winter feed bill.
> Pumpkin
> growers around here grow Howden a lot, if that gives some season
> comparison.
> Would like lots of tonnage but the individual pumpkins don't need to be
> large. Thanks.
>
> Beth Spaugh
> Rehoboth Homestead
> Peru NY
> http://rhomestead.com
>
> "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is
> sed." -
> Wendell Berry
>
> "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Francis
> Moore Lappe



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:38:21 -0500
From: "Robin Follette" <lists AT seasonseatingsfarm.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Winter Greenhouse varieties for Indiana?
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Black Seeded Simpson, Galactic and Winter Marvel lettuces are doing well for

me. Spinach wintered well, Swiss chard is so-so and beet greens were good
until a couple of weeks ago. Red Russian kale and Tatsoi are still going.
No snails yet - 2' of snow tends to keep them in check.

Robin Follette
Seasons Eatings Farm
Talmadge, ME
www.seasonseatingsfarm.com


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From: "Keith Johnson" <kd.johnson AT insightbb.com>
To: "Market Farming List" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:49 PM
Subject: [Market-farming] Winter Greenhouse varieties for Indiana?


> What are your favorite, and most successful varieties of winter greens
> for winter greenhouse production? My UNheated space utilizes hoop houses
> inside the larger greenhouse.
>
> My lettuces are thriving, but slow-growing. Winter marvel seems very
> cold and freeze resistant. Red sails, Cracoviensis, and Oakleafs are
> doing OK.
>
> Mizuna is working well, the bok choy fair, other brassicas like kale and
> collards are getting heavy snail predation (treating with light dustings
> of hardwood ash, though beer traps and picking may be necessary).
>
> --
> Keith Johnson
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:01:52 -0500
From: "Sharon and Steve" <shopkins AT tdstelme.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Winter Greenhouse varieties for Indiana?
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Robin,

Somewhere back a while I read a piece by or about Eliot and voles, it seems
that they almost ended his winter greens project till he got them under
control. Do you recall what it was that he did?

MAsteveINE (trailing GOSpigs in Bangor!)




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:22:47 -0500
From: "Sharon and Steve" <shopkins AT tdstelme.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Livestock pumpkins
To: <lists AT rhomestead.com>, "Market Farming"
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Spaugh" <lists AT rhomestead.com>
To: <APPPAplus AT yahoogroups.com>; "'Market Farming'"
<market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: [Market-farming] Livestock pumpkins


> Anyone have suggestions of pumpkins for poultry feed, warm zone 4 cool
> zone
> 5? Will be planting some sugar beets, lots of clover, excess turnip seed,
> etc for chickens, ducks, geese. Looking to reduce winter feed bill.
> Pumpkin
> growers around here grow Howden a lot, if that gives some season
> comparison.
> Would like lots of tonnage but the individual pumpkins don't need to be
> large. Thanks.
>
> Beth Spaugh
> Rehoboth Homestead
> Peru NY
> http://rhomestead.com
>
> "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is
> sed." -
> Wendell Berry
>
> "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Francis
> Moore Lappe
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:37:10 -0500
From: "Sharon and Steve" <shopkins AT tdstelme.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Livestock pumpkins
To: <lists AT rhomestead.com>, "Market Farming"
<market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>, <APPPAplus AT yahoogroups.com>
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Sure, I sez, Peru, right by Syracuse, no problem; them I checked, and found
that if you trip you land in Canada! Arn't you glad they invented Zip codes?

But the guys across the lake in VT are doing corn so you are most likely
safe with pumpkins and or squash maturing, especially if you stay with the
shorter day varieties.

Next comes storage, which is what we are looking at here, and it seems that
we should try stacking good fruits in the barn and covering with sawdust and

hay to keep them from freezing. Or once frozen, keeping them that way. We
can keep potatoes underground with no heat, but the cost to construct for
feed would be limiting unless there was also a cash crop to help things
along.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

MAsteveINE





> Anyone have suggestions of pumpkins for poultry feed, warm zone 4 cool
> zone
> 5? Will be planting some sugar beets, lots of clover, excess turnip seed,
> etc for chickens, ducks, geese. Looking to reduce winter feed bill.
> Pumpkin
> growers around here grow Howden a lot, if that gives some season
> comparison.
> Would like lots of tonnage but the individual pumpkins don't need to be
> large. Thanks.
>
> Beth Spaugh
> Rehoboth Homestead
> Peru NY




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:13:46 -0800
From: <sunnfarm AT netscape.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Livestock pumpkins
To: <lists AT rhomestead.com>, "Market Farming"
<market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Howdens are big but tonnage is low because they take up too much space per
plant
Try a bush type like Baby Pam Hybrid. I plant them 3 ft apart on 6ft rows.
You will get a lot more fruit per acre as long as pollination is good.
Another
option is butternut squash. They store much better than pumpkins... Bob.
Sunny Meadow Farm
Bridgeton, NJ.


Anyone have suggestions of pumpkins for poultry feed, warm zone 4 cool zone
5? Will be planting some sugar beets, lots of clover, excess turnip seed,
etc for chickens, ducks, geese. Looking to reduce winter feed bill. Pumpkin
growers around here grow Howden a lot, if that gives some season comparison.
Would like lots of tonnage but the individual pumpkins don't need to be
large. Thanks.

Beth Spaugh
Rehoboth Homestead
Peru NY
http://rhomestead.com

"How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." -
Wendell Berry

"Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Francis
Moore Lappe


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