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  • From: "Jill Bussiere" <jdt AT itol.com>
  • To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: RE: [Market-farming] Globalization / Food Quality / What to do?
  • Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:34:39 -0500

Check the reports of poverty and globalization - by those that promote
corporate globalization themselves....even they report that poverty is a
result.

To the rest of your post, I say this,

"You say tomato, I say tomato".

Jill

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[mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of M N
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Subject: RE: [Market-farming] Globalization / Food Quality / What to do?


>There is a difference between globalization and corporate globalization. We
>are currently in a world where the latter is what predominates.

And that is a good thing in my opinion. If the UN was in charge of
Globalization we'd continue to have genocidal behavior around like in Rwanda
and Bosnia. Since social strife and violence is bad for business, business
of any size wants a stable society and against physically and
psychologically violent social wacko's.

>It creates low paying, low quality jobs.

Nope. It actually spreads the wealth AND THE POVERTY around. The low paying
jobs are more socially just than the protectionist pyramd scheme that armies
and political borders and local political cliques impose to condense the
wealth inside of individual artificial boundaries such as over paid workers.
Capitalism is more socialist than socialism in that the consumer has the
power and the consumer is the little person and EVERYONE is a consumer. The
business owner MUST be humble and play the game or go out of business.

>protections that were democratically agreed upon.

There is no such thing as democracy. Even ancient greek society depended on
a slave class to survive so it wasn't a democracy either. These
"protections" are partisan as can be and passed by reason of activist
overactivity and perversions of the courts to overpower the actual
democratic will of The Normal People.

Raising the primitive level of "The Local Normal People" to where they
believe in self protection is better than protecting them like cows.
Capitalistic self respect is so dangerous to exploitative local power
cliques they will murder and terrorize to maintain the status quo. Just ask
Bin Laden Inc.

>Check out Chapter 11 of
>NAFTA - and if you are interested, I will cite you some specific examples
>of
>how this has happened.
>It breaks down local and community economic systems.

Most local and community economic systems are monopolistic and exclusionary
in nature. Join the clique or work at a minimum wage job.

>It challenges local control and democracy.

Good. Tyrants need their butt kicked. Again, there's no such thing as
democracy - just the local "in crowd" or clique deluded into thinking they
are inclusionary. It is a popularity and power contest. The little folk are
cattle. Cattle make unprofitable employees with poor attendance records and
low self-esteem.

>It consolidates money to the already wealthy.

Someone elses paycheck and bank account is absolutely none of my business
unless it's criminal.

>There are benefits, yes - but the way that globalization is happening could
>be much improved upon.

Anything can be improved on.

>What you cite below, mn, is the myths that those who
>promote it pass on.

Actually what you cite are the myths that your group wants to promote. We
all promote our myths. Only G_d has the mythless truth. We just pridefully
delude ourselves into thinking we do unless we are fundamentalists who
belive we own a piece of the truth.

>And, they try to cast those of us
>who are against
>corporate globalization
>as people who are against progress, people who are
>against the inevitable, people who are against trade.
>None of these boxes
>are accurate.
Of course not. When you dig your heels in then only YOUR boxes are accurate.
Your opponent never has accurate boxes - they only promote myths to defeat
the righteous who posses the fundamental truth. This is not a good mindset
as it breeds isolation and marginalization.

>Instead, we are people
>who want those who are affected by the
>trade agreements to have input into them,

"Input" is not that I get my way - it's that I have my vote and I do vote. I
sometimes even win.

>and who want trade agreements to
>be made with some basic rights and standards as a part of them, rather than
>made to tear down basic rights and standards.

Sorry, life is a dynamic thing. I don't blame you for wanting a settled
situation but things and times change. Osama Inc. was such an anti-change
corporate body look at how violently they reacted.

Look for the opportunity, the niche, the alliance, the vision on the
horizon. Keep evolving and adapting and going for the good stuff and gusto.

mn

>I think globalization is a great thing.

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