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- From: "norm cooper" <grapegro@aapt.net.au>
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- Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Livingontheland Digest, Vol 239, Issue 4 - beyond organics
- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:05:03 +1100
Hello,
What might be of help to you would be google "beyond organix". This
was started by Arden Andersen as a high quality organic body, members
produce organic produce to a minimum nutritional standard. Have luck.
Regards,
Norm Cooper
Farming Focus grapegro@aapt.net.au
Soil & Organic Consultant
12 Anne Street
KOROIT VIC 3282
Phone: (03) 5565-8333
Mobile: 0428 761 109
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:55:12 -0600
From: "Andeanfx" <andeanfx@midrivers.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] No-till
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So, in short, you grow them, mow them then plant through them???
Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hargesheimer
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] No-till
Leave cover crops on top of the soil. Otherwise, you are not
no-till. I have been no-till for decades.
GARDENS/MINI-FARMS NETWORK
USA: TX, MS, FL, CA, AR; Mexico, Rep. Dominicana, C?t? d?Ivoire,
Nigeria,
Nicaragua, Honduras, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, Haiti, England,
India, Uzbekistan
minifarms@gmail.com
Workshops in organic, no-till, permanent bed gardening,
mini-farming and mini-ranching worldwide in English & Espa?ol
Organic, No-Till Gardening
These are based on the internet, US & international agriculture
magazines, experiences teaching agriculture in many countries, research and
farmer experiences in those countries and a demonstration garden. They are
ecologically sustainable, environmentally responsible, socially just and
economically viable. There is unlimited, documented proof. On mini-farms
the following can double the yields and reduce the labor by half compared to
traditional methods. There are 200,000,000 no-till acres worldwide. ?It
works!
Fukaoka Farm, Japan, has been no-till [rice, small grains,
vegetables] for 70 years. At the time of my visit: An Indian gardener has
been no-till [vegetables] for 5 years. A Malawi gardener has been no-till
[vegetables] on permanent beds for 25 years. A Honduras farmer has been
no-till [vegetables & fruit] on permanent beds on the contour (73? slope]
for 8 years. Ruth Stout [USA] had a no-till garden for 30 years and 7,000
people visited. In 2006 a Cal urban mini-farm of 1/10 acre produced 6,000
lbs. of vegetables [not organic; not no-till]. Free DVD on request.
1. Financial: Little funds are needed. A few hand tools,
seed, free land available, irrigation water.
2. Restore the soil to its natural health: Contaminations:
inorganic pesticides, insecticides, herbicides, fertilizers, etc.
3. Healthy soil: Healthy soil produces healthy vegetables,
for high yields, and prevents most of the disease, pest and weed problems.
4. Feed the soil; not the crops [Inorganics feed the
plants and poison the soil; organics feed the soil and promote health.]
5. Increase soil organic matter every year
6. Little or no external inputs [not necessary to buy
anything, from anybody, for the garden. Certain things are recommended]
7. Leave all crop residue on the beds.
8. No-till: no tilling, no digging, no plowing, no
cultivating: Nature will till the soil using roots and worms. No hard
physical labor is needed so the elderly, children and lazy people can
garden.
9. Permanent beds
10. Permanent paths
11. Hand tools & power-hand tools
12. 12-months production [hoop houses, row covers, shade
cloth]
13. Organic fertilizers [14-16 probably not needed with
healthy soil]
14. Organic disease control.
15. Organic herbicides and pesticides.
16. Biological pest control.
17. Soil always covered
18. Green manures/cover crops for OM
19. Organic matter: Free. Delivered free? When economically
feasible, transport to the garden. Use as mulch.
20. Composting: Not necessary except for special use. Too
much time and work. Pile excess organic matter until used as mulch.
21. Vermiculture Not necessary. Worms will be in the beds.
22. Drip irrigation [Purchase or DIY drip lines]
23. Imitate nature. Most gardeners fight nature. ?Nature
always wins!
Ken Hargesheimer
When Soil is Tilled
Dr. Elaine Ingham, describes an undisturbed soil?where a wide
diversity of plants grow, their roots mingling with a wide diversity of soil
organisms?and how it changes when it is plowed. A typical teaspoon of
native grassland soil contains between 600 million and 800 million
individual bacteria that are members of perhaps 10,000 species. Several
miles of fungi are in that teaspoon of soil, as well as 10,000 individual
protozoa. There are 20 to 30 beneficial nematodes from as many as 100
species. Root-feeding nematodes are quite scarce in truly healthy soils.
They are present, but in numbers so low that it is rare to find them.
After only one tilling, a few species of bacteria and fungi
disappear because the food they need is no longer put back in the system.
But for the most part, all the suppressive organisms, all the nutrient
cyclers, all the decomposers, all the soil organisms that rebuild good soil
structure are still present and trying to do their jobs.
But tillage continues to deplete soil organic matter and kill
fungi. The larger predators are crushed, their homes destroyed. The
bacteria go through a bloom and blow off huge amounts of that
savings-account organic matter. With continued tillage, the "policemen"
(organisms) that compete with and inhibit disease are lost. The
"architects" that build soil aggregates are lost. So are the
"engineers"?the larger organisms that design and form the larger pores in
soil. The predators that keep bacteria, fungi, and root-feeding organisms
in check are lost. Disease suppression declines, soil structure erodes, and
water infiltration decreases because mineral crusts form. Dr. Elaine
Ingham, BioCycle, December 1998. (From ATTRA News, July 06)
Tue, Dec 30, 2008
Dear Ken,
Thank you for all the DVD?s you sent me. Thank you for all the
info. I am applying it in my own vegetable patch. It is working. Got half
a pocket of potatoes off a square metre. So would imagine about 10 pounds
per square yard. This off previously dead low, carbon soil. Sure next crop
will be better. Got yams coming up on same spot already. Want to plant
herbs and spices. I will send photos.
Your advise is so simple. People do not believe me when I tell
them. I am so excited about growing things now. This coming from a
commercial plum farmer. May you be blessed this holy season a thousand
times more than you blessed me with you help. Jeremy Karsen,
middagkrans@mwebbiz.co.za
Project room: Kyomya, Uganda
We have been working on improving farming techniques for almost a
year. Unfortunately, the farmers are planting small plots of land that only
feed their family. There is no other choice but to try new techniques to
improve the output of their plot. Ken Hargesheimer suggested the "no till"
farming techniques as well as the "drip system". Both have proven effective
at increasing production by at least 5 fold. The time is now for Kyomya to
become a model agricultural village. [nabuur.com]
Name
Number
Price
Total Cost
Organic, no-till gardening and mini-farming
4.00
Organic, no-till gardening and mini-farming No. 2
4.00
Cuban Agriculture
4.00
Close to Nature Garden, Ruth Stout's Garden.
4.00
La Agricultura
4.00
La Agricultura Urbana
4.00
Pay by check, money order or cash [US dollars only].
Postage Paid
Mail to: Ken Hargesheimer, Box 1901, Lubbock TX 79408-1901.
minifarms@gmail.com
Enclosed
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:07:50 -0600
From: "Andeanfx" <andeanfx@midrivers.com>
Subject: [Livingontheland] The Amazing Cucumber
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The Amazing Cucumber
This information was in The New York Times
several weeks ago as part of their "Spotlight on the Home" series that
highlighted creative and fanciful ways to
solve common problems.
1. Cucumbers contain most of the vitamins
you need every day, just one cucumber contains Vitamin B1, Vitamin B2,
Vitamin B3, Vitamin B5, Vitamin B6, Folic Acid, Vitamin C, Calcium, Iron,
Magnesium, Phosphorus, Potassium and Zinc.
2. Feeling tired in the afternoon, put down
the caffeinated soda and pick up a cucumber. Cucumbers are a good source of
B Vitamins and Carbohydrates that can provide that quick pick-me-up that can
last
for hours.
3. Tired of your bathroom mirror fogging up
after a shower? Try rubbing a cucumber slice along the mirror, it will
eliminate the fog and provide a soothing, spa-like fragrance.
4. Are grubs and slugs ruining your planting
beds?
Place a few slices in a small pie tin and
your garden will be free of pests all season long. The chemicals in the
cucumber react with the aluminum to give off a scent undetectable to humans
but drive garden pests crazy and make them flee the area.
5. Looking for a fast and easy way to remove
cellulite before going out or to the pool? Try rubbing a slice or two of
cucumbers along your problem area for a few minutes, the phytochemicals in
the cucumber cause the collagen in your skin to tighten, firming up the
outer layer and reducing the visibility of cellulite. Works great on
wrinkles too!!!
6. Want to avoid a hangover or terrible
headache?
Eat a few cucumber slices before going to
bed and wake up refreshed and headache free. Cucumbers contain enough
sugar, B vitamins and electrolytes to replenish essential nutrients the body
lost, keeping everything in equilibrium, avoiding both a hangover and
headache!!
7. Looking to fight off that afternoon or
evening snacking binge? Cucumbers have been used for centuries and often
used by European trappers, traders and explores for quick meals to thwart
off starvation.
8. Have an important meeting or job
interview and you realize that you don't have enough time to polish your
shoes? Rub a freshly cut cucumber over the shoe, its chemicals will provide
a quick and durable shine that not only looks great but also repels water.
9. Out of WD 40 and need to fix a squeaky
hinge?
Take a cucumber slice and rub it along the
problematic hinge, and voila, the squeak is gone!
10. Stressed out and don't have time for
massage, facial or visit to the spa? Cut up an entire cucumber and place it
in a boiling pot of water, the chemicals and nutrients from the cucumber
with react with the boiling water and be released in the steam, creating a
soothing, relaxing aroma that has been shown the reduce stress in new
mothers and college students during final exams.
11. Just finish a business lunch and realize
you don't have gum or mints? Take a slice of cucumber and press it to the
roof of your mouth with your tongue for 30 seconds to eliminate bad breath,
the phytochemcials will kill the bacteria in your mouth responsible for
causing bad breath.
12. Looking for a 'green' way to clean your
faucets, sinks or stainless steel? Take a slice of cucumber and rub it on
the surface you want to clean, not only will it remove years of tarnish and
bring back the shine, but it won't leave streaks and won't harm your fingers
or fingernails while you clean.
13. Using a pen and made a mistake? Take the
outside of the cucumber and slowly use it to erase the pen writing, also
works great on crayons and markers that the kids have used to decorate the
walls!!
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:43:55 -0700
From: Doug Willhite <drwillhite@earthlink.net>
Subject: [Livingontheland] please help define the term "beyond
organic"
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
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Hello Paul & All,
I'm attempting to define -- and would appreciate your help
brainstorming -- the term "beyond organic." I want to advertise our
egg sales as "beyond organic" at a nearby farmers market (my
neighbors started it!! :) They want to sell our eggs and have asked
what we meant when we said "beyond organic."
Here's what I've come up with & want your input on:
"Beyond Organic" means supporting neighborhood farms, gardens & your
local economy. It's how a family chooses to spend it's food budget.
"Organic food" at chain stores is shipped 1500 miles on average.
Locally grown foods are close to market and kitchen; fresher, safer,
healthier, with minimal fossil & non-renewable resources burned in
delivery.
"Beyond Organic" means curtailing fossil fuel use by supporting local
food growers. By "voting" with your food dollars you can help keep
your country, climate, and planet cleaner, safer, and less dependent
on overseas dictatorships for oil.
By "beyond organic" we also mean TLC, animal husbandry, or old-
fashioned due respect for the quality of the lives of the chickens,
goats & other animals in our care -- including animals raised for
slaughter / meat.
Beyond Organic is the antithesis of the soul-deadening modern factory
slaughterhouses & industrial farms. Beyond Organic is real food,
real folks, real animals & real relationships."
thanks,
doug
http://chihuahuavalley.net
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:05:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Hargesheimer <minifarms2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] No-till
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Yes. Ken
--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Andeanfx <andeanfx@midrivers.com> wrote:
From: Andeanfx <andeanfx@midrivers.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] No-till
To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 8:55 PM
?
So, in short, you grow them, mow them then plant through them???
?
?
Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde
?
?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hargesheimer
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] No-till
Leave cover crops on top of the soil.? Otherwise, you are not no-till.?? I
have been no-till for decades.
?
GARDENS/MINI-FARMS NETWORK
USA: TX, MS, FL, CA, AR;? Mexico, Rep. Dominicana, C?t? d?Ivoire, Nigeria,
Nicaragua, Honduras, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, Haiti, England, India,
Uzbekistan
minifarms@gmail.com
Workshops in organic, no-till, permanent bed gardening, mini-farming and
mini-ranching worldwide in English & Espa?ol
?
?
Organic, No-Till Gardening
?
These are based on the internet, US & international agriculture magazines,
experiences teaching agriculture in many countries, research and farmer
experiences in those countries and a demonstration garden.? They are
ecologically sustainable, environmentally responsible, socially just and
economically viable.? There is unlimited, documented proof.? On mini-farms
the following can double the yields and reduce the labor by half compared to
traditional methods.? There are 200,000,000 no-till acres worldwide. ?It
works!
?
Fukaoka Farm, Japan, has been no-till [rice, small grains, vegetables] for
70 years. ?At the time of my visit: An Indian gardener has been no-till
[vegetables] for 5 years.? A Malawi gardener has been no-till [vegetables]
on permanent beds for 25 years.? A Honduras farmer has been no-till
[vegetables & fruit] on permanent beds on the contour (73? slope] for 8
years.? Ruth Stout [ USA ] had a no-till garden for 30 years and 7,000
people visited. ?In 2006 a Cal urban mini-farm of 1/10 acre produced 6,000
lbs. of vegetables [not organic; not no-till].? Free DVD on request.
?
1.??????? Financial:? Little funds are needed. A few hand tools, seed, free
land available, irrigation water.
2.??????? Restore the soil to its natural health:? Contaminations:
?inorganic pesticides, insecticides, herbicides, fertilizers, etc.?
3.??????? Healthy soil: ?Healthy soil produces healthy vegetables, for high
yields, and prevents most of the disease, pest and weed problems.? ??
4.??????? Feed the soil; not the crops? [Inorganics feed the plants and
poison the soil;? organics feed the soil and promote health.]
5.??????? Increase soil organic matter every year
6.??????? Little or no external inputs [not necessary to buy anything, from
anybody, for the garden.? Certain things are recommended]
7.??????? Leave all crop residue on the beds.
8.??????? No-till: ?no tilling, no digging, no plowing, no cultivating:?
Nature will till the soil using roots and worms. No hard physical labor is
needed so the elderly, children and lazy people can garden.
9.??????? Permanent beds ?
10.???? Permanent paths
11.???? Hand tools & power-hand tools
12.???? 12-months production ?[hoop houses, row covers, shade cloth]
13.???? Organic fertilizers [14-16 probably not needed with healthy soil]
14.???? Organic disease control.
15.???? Organic herbicides and pesticides.
16.???? Biological pest control.
17.???? Soil always covered
18.???? Green manures/cover crops for OM
19.???? Organic matter: ?Free.? Delivered free? ?When economically feasible,
transport to the garden.? Use as mulch.
20.???? Composting: ?Not necessary except for special use.? Too much time
and work.? Pile excess organic matter until used as mulch.?
21.???? Vermiculture?? Not necessary.? Worms will be in the beds.
22.???? Drip irrigation [Purchase or DIY drip lines]
23.???? Imitate nature. Most gardeners fight nature. ?Nature always wins!
?
?
Ken Hargesheimer
?
When Soil is Tilled
Dr. Elaine Ingham, describes an undisturbed soil?where a wide diversity of
plants grow, their roots mingling with a wide diversity of soil
organisms?and how it changes when it is plowed.? A typical teaspoon of
native grassland soil contains between 600 million and 800 million
individual bacteria that are members of perhaps 10,000 species.? Several
miles of fungi are in that teaspoon of soil, as well as 10,000 individual
protozoa.? There are 20 to 30 beneficial nematodes from as many as 100
species. Root-feeding nematodes are quite scarce in truly healthy soils.?
They are present, but in numbers so low that it is rare to find them.
?
After only one tilling, a few species of bacteria and fungi disappear
because the food they need is no longer put back in the system.? But for the
most part, all the suppressive organisms, all the nutrient cyclers, all the
decomposers, all the soil organisms that rebuild good soil structure are
still present and trying to do their jobs.
?
But tillage continues to deplete soil organic matter and kill fungi. The
larger predators are crushed, their homes destroyed.? The bacteria go
through a bloom and blow off huge amounts of that savings-account organic
matter.? With continued tillage, the "policemen" (organisms) that compete
with and inhibit disease are lost.? The "architects" that build soil
aggregates are lost.? So are the "engineers"?the larger organisms that
design and form the larger pores in soil.? The predators that keep bacteria,
fungi, and root-feeding organisms in check are lost.? Disease suppression
declines, soil structure erodes, and water infiltration decreases because
mineral crusts form.? Dr. Elaine Ingham, BioCycle, December 1998.? (From
ATTRA News, July 06)
?
Tue, Dec 30, 2008
?
Dear Ken,
?
Thank you for all the DVD?s you sent me. Thank you for all the info. I am
applying it in my own vegetable patch.? It is working.?? Got half a pocket
of potatoes off a square metre.? So would imagine about 10 pounds per square
yard. This off previously dead low, carbon soil.? Sure next crop will be
better.? Got yams coming up on same spot already.? Want to plant herbs and
spices. I will send photos.
?
Your advise is so simple. People do not believe me when I tell them. I am so
excited about growing things now. This coming from a commercial plum
farmer.? May you be blessed this holy season a thousand times more than you
blessed me with you help.? Jeremy Karsen, middagkrans@mwebbiz.co.za
?
Project room:? Kyomya , Uganda
We have been working on improving farming techniques for almost a year.
Unfortunately, the farmers are planting small plots of land that only feed
their family.? There is no other choice but to try new techniques to improve
the output of their plot.? Ken Hargesheimer suggested the "no till" farming
techniques as well as the "drip system".? Both have proven effective at
increasing production by at least 5 fold.? The time is now for Kyomya to
become a model agricultural village.???? [nabuur.com]
?
Name
Number
?Price
?Total Cost
Organic, no-till gardening and mini-farming
?
4.00
?
Organic, no-till gardening and mini-farming No. 2
?
4.00
?
Cuban Agriculture
?
4.00
?
Close to Nature Garden , Ruth Stout's Garden.?
?
4.00
?
La Agricultura
?
4.00
?
La Agricultura Urbana
?
4.00
?
Pay by check, money order or cash [US dollars only].? Postage Paid
Mail to:? Ken Hargesheimer, Box 1901 , Lubbock TX 79408-1901 .
minifarms@gmail.com?
?
Enclosed
$
?
?
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