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  • From: Debbie Mcdonald <belynor@sbcglobal.net>
  • To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Plant Consciousness
  • Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:22:21 -0800 (PST)

Hi Lynn,
That must be nice to have such sounding boards in your life. I'd like that.
I wanted to come to your area. I know you have the ley lines there, maybe not
so much as Sedona but nevertheless, right? So hippie girl, I'll go commune
with some trees a bit before feeding the goats. Are you in the area of the
forests, I looked online a bit to see some photos. Shirley MacLaine never
invited me to live on her land;). Deb

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Lynn Montgomery <sunfarm@toast.net> wrote:

> From: Lynn Montgomery <sunfarm@toast.net>
> Subject: [Livingontheland] Plant Consciousness
> To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 1:35 PM
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> Dear
> Paul, Harvey, and
> Debbie,
>     Pam
> Montgomery is my ex-sister
> in law and mother of my niece. I met up with her last
> spring and we discussed
> "Plant Spirit Healing-A Guide to
> Working with Plant
> Consciousness". Pam is one of those special
> people that breaks through
> barriers most of us hit up against, with such
> ease. Although Paul paints me
> as a pragmatist, and that is true, I do talk to plants and
> have found I like
> them a lot more than most people. The problem is; they
> don't talk English and
> one must take a lot of time to realize that this is a
> non-language
> communication. Plants are very similar to us genetically
> and we are more closely
> related than most realize. After we come together in the
> close-knit communities
> of the future, or perish, then we will have the sensitivity
> to not dismiss and
> scoff at our relations and start to become a real part of
> true existence. So,
> keep on talking and maybe you can assist in
> translations.
> Best regards, Lynn
> Montgomery
>  
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:40:29 -0700
> From: "Tradingpost"
> <tradingpost@lobo.net>
> Subject: Re:
> [Livingontheland] Permaculture - Farms for the Future
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> Lynn has been growing in the Sandia
> foothills for maybe thirty years, long before we had a lot
> of farmers markets
> and growing got cool. As for carbon footprint, he has an
> old one room adobe on
> his 60 acres of archeological interest. He's a realist;
> dealing with the water
> commissions and development interests, working to protect
> the water supply of
> traditional growers along the rivers of New Mexico. We
> could get up to his place
> more often if he'd fix his road ;-)
>
> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
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> On 1/18/2010 at 4:04 PM Lynn Montgomery
> wrote:
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> >Dear Paul,
> >   I have to agree. I live in the
> semi-desert too. And in an old hippie
> >commune where I'm the only one
> left. I do a lot of regional water
> >planning, which means I'm aware of the
> changes climate brings to NM and
> >Arizona. Over 2 thousand years. Five
> years is way too short to claim
> >victory. Wait about 20 years and the
> normal, usual, decade long drought,
> >at the very least, will arrive and
> all that wonderful permaculture will
> >dry up and blow away. A lot of this
> is simple anthropocentric human
> >arrogance-"we are so superior to
> everything else in the universe and our
> >wonderful superior minds can
> overcome anything". Anything except our own
> >folly. Those that study
> archaeology here can tell us of lots of tribes and
> >civilizations that had
> the same attitude, and disappeared completely. The
> >people in the old days
> here, when they were fortunate to have a good year,
> >would grow 5 years
> worth of beans, at least. When it doesn't rain at all,
> >and I mean not at
> all, then all that catchment etc. is nothing but ugly
> >alteration of the
> natural state. I hope that reality and the long cycles
> >of nature come
> into some of these theories and temper them with real
> >reason. And
> humility.
> >    Being spiritual and bringing the
> rain and
> life is not easy. And one
> >has to be very careful. Our local Native
> Americans are more careful than
> >anyone I know of and sometimes their
> thousands of years old ways don't
> >work. So don't expect something that
> you just made up to work very well.
> >The individual can have all those
> relationships we are talking about, and
> >that is a very good thing, but we
> aren't going to change the way people do
> >things. It would be nice if all
> those millions suddenly went away. I
> >always hope a good disease will come
> around and do the job and those left
> >don't have to feel
> guilty.
> >Regards, Lynn Montgomery
> >
> >To Grow a garden is to
> believe in tomorrow
> >- Eleanor Roosevelt
>  
> Message:
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> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010
> 12:26:54 -0500
> From: Harvey Ussery <harvey@themodernhomestead.us>
> Subject: Re:
> [Livingontheland] The Secret Teachings of Plants
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> sustainable growing
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> Debbie Mcdonald wrote:
> > by Stephen Harrod Buhner.
> Anyone read it . I am going to get this book upon a
> recommendation of an
> herbalist that I admire, I have the Secret Life of Plants
> which is also good but
> Buhner takes it in the direction that inspires me.
> >   Buhner
> also does the forward on a book I started and am liking
> called Plant Spirit
> Healing A Guide to Working with Plant Consciousness by Pam
> Montgomery.
>  
> Dang, Debbie, you're just insisting on this woo-woo
> stuff, aren't you!
>
> Yes, I have read SHB's SECRET TEACHINGS OF
> PLANTS--along with most of
> his other books (also attended a weekend seminar
> wi him coupla years
> ago)--and it was a tremendous inspiration, broadened my
> relation to the
> Green People considerably.
>
> 'Bout halfway through,
> you'll conclude plants are a hell of a lot
> smarter than
> people.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> ~Harvey
>
> --
> Harvey in northern
> Virginia
> www.themodernhomestead.us
>  
> The threat
> of nuclear weapons and man's ability to destroy the
> environment are really
> alarming. And yet there are other almost imperceptible
> changes--I am thinking of
> the exhaustion of our natural resources, and especially of
> soil erosion--and
> these are perhaps more dangerous still, because once we
> begin to feel their
> repercussions it will be too late.  ~The Dalai
> Lama
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