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  • From: dan conine <dconine@bertramwireless.com>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Vilsack Highlights role of agriculture
  • Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:49:02 -0600

I agree on the halfway meeting, Paul. I am looking at things from a different angle, and it probably only sounds different. Necessity is the mother of invention, and being an inventor and engineer, I know that useful people will find ways to survive. It just won't be practical to 'save the world' with permaculture, etc, until we fit our attitudes to the world first.
I think solar panels CAN be made with solar power, they just aren't right now. Water CAN be pumped mechanically from quite deep, it just isn't right now, and it won't be in the volumes that we are currently using.
The fossil fuels won't go away immediately, but they will become expensive. As this descent progresses, we will see priorities shift when people are starving: not before.

Back to work,

Dan

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Interesting angles on that. I'll meet you halfway on that one, Dan ... I'd
agree *most* transportation and even shelter could be managed locally, if
communities were living sustainably. However, my comments were focused just
on sustainable food rather than the whole sustainable living thing. In other
words our food production per se doesn't make necessary transportation and
shelter sustainable.






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